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A New Face for Pebble

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Re: A New Face for Pebble

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5-7 day battery life and always-on, e-paper-like color screen. This enables you to use Pebble as an actual watch, or in general as an information radiator - you don't have to interact with it in any way to see the data you need; you just have to look at it. They had these features (sans color) before Apple Watch / Android Wear even existed! What personally made me buy Pebble over Android Wear / Apple Watch was not po…

> 5-7 day battery life and always-on, e-paper-like color screen. This enables you to use Pebble as an actual watch I'm not sure why the "always-on" aspect is an advantage. The Apple Watch display turns on when I raise my wrist to look at it. Always-on seems more like a vanity feature than actually useful. If you aren't looking at it, it serves no purpose to be on. The battery life has never been a problem for me. I p…

> The Apple Watch display turns on when I raise my wrist to look at it. Always-on seems more like a vanity feature than actually useful. If you aren't looking at it, it serves no purpose to be on.

There are lots of cases when you want to glance at your watch without doing an explicit, lively motion with your hand. For instance, as I'm typing this comment, I can look at my Pebble without moving the wrist. When a notification comes, I can read it without doing anything but moving my eyes downward. Since I spend 8+ hours every day in front of one computer or another, it's extremely valuable. Similarly, it applies when you're e.g. carrying things, or doing chores.

> I also think you're underselling the fitness aspect. I've been much more active since I got my Apple Watch. The importance of physical activity is hard to understate.

Probably. I admit I might be a bit biased against sports and fitness, for various hard-to-untangle reasons :).

> Also, I visited my doctor recently and she was a bit worried that my pulse was high. I showed her the graph of my pulse over the last week, and she was no longer worried. In the future, when we can measure thinks like blood pressure and blood glucose, it will significantly improve people's health. That's clearly where Apple is headed.

That's a great use of such technology, I admit. You communicated with a specialist and used your data to your advantage. That's how it should work. But generally, it doesn't. I dislike the whole quantified self movement (and fitness-oriented smartwatches are a part of it) for generally being a cargo-cult field. What you usually get is a device that measures something and puts the data in a completely unneccessary (but required to monetize you) cloud app, which then happily displays you some shiny graphs. The prettier the graphs the better thing sells, even though they're often pretty much useless. You can't export your data, you can't study your data, you just have some graphs. You're supposed to look at them and say "oooh, cool!".

There's a broader point here that applies both to QS enthusiasts and dashboard designers and people working on IoT - graphs are means, not an end. They exist only to improve user's decision-making process. Different graphs help with different questions, so it's important to allow users to manipulate the data presentation, and even more important to teach them the right questions to ask.

We have a technology that could really enable people to live smarter, healthier and better, and instead of that we're being fed shiny trinkets that monetize your data and lock it in so you can't use it for your advantage.

Re: A New Face for Pebble

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Yes, this isn't an alternative to Android wear or Apple watch, just more of the same. Fun fact: a few months ago I was looking for a wearable which had the option to store data locally - I looked at dozens of products and only three of them offered this. One needs a Windows app to transfer data over USB, the other is the Oregon Scientific Dynamo, which has a rather poor iOS app and is quite bulky and imprecise and th…

Google may store your data indefinitely, but it doesn't sell it to third parties.

Google doesn't need to sell it to third parties, because they are the only party they need to monetize your data.

Re: A New Face for Pebble

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You've mentioned four things that are part of the messaging app, and phone calls. If you aren't aware of the other things Apple Watch does that Pebble doesn't, you should probably do some more research.

I'm listing what my friends were showing that their Apple Watch can and I excluded what Pebble could do as well. Can you list what other things Apple Watch can do?

I can, but it would probably be more efficient for you to just go look at the website.

Re: A New Face for Pebble

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post #109

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> 5-7 day battery life and always-on, e-paper-like color screen. This enables you to use Pebble as an actual watch I'm not sure why the "always-on" aspect is an advantage. The Apple Watch display turns on when I raise my wrist to look at it. Always-on seems more like a vanity feature than actually useful. If you aren't looking at it, it serves no purpose to be on. The battery life has never been a problem for me. I p…

> The Apple Watch display turns on when I raise my wrist to look at it. Always-on seems more like a vanity feature than actually useful. If you aren't looking at it, it serves no purpose to be on. Yeah... if you are wearing it. When I'm at my computer I don't like wearing a watch. So I take it off and place it next to my laptop (hate the band rubbing the desk/keyboard). In that scenario, always on is useful. Also whe…

I think you're misinterpreting my original post. It's not a shot at the Pebble, or any other device. It's an argument that the Apple Watch is not a toy, and is actually quite useful day to day for many people. It was an argument against a generalization, not an argument for one.

Re: A New Face for Pebble

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post #109

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> 5-7 day battery life and always-on, e-paper-like color screen. This enables you to use Pebble as an actual watch I'm not sure why the "always-on" aspect is an advantage. The Apple Watch display turns on when I raise my wrist to look at it. Always-on seems more like a vanity feature than actually useful. If you aren't looking at it, it serves no purpose to be on. The battery life has never been a problem for me. I p…

> The Apple Watch display turns on when I raise my wrist to look at it. Always-on seems more like a vanity feature than actually useful. If you aren't looking at it, it serves no purpose to be on. Yeah... if you are wearing it. When I'm at my computer I don't like wearing a watch. So I take it off and place it next to my laptop (hate the band rubbing the desk/keyboard). In that scenario, always on is useful. Also whe…

And to elaborate on the bike mount use, it's not just for "I want a clock on my handlebars." Paired with the GPS in your phone, you can use a Pebble as a bike computer, providing information like speed, distance, and elevation change.

The battery life and daylight visible / always on screen are requirements for this.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Pebble_w...

Re: A New Face for Pebble

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I actually am just not _that_ interesting and i can't see what anyone could want to really know about me...? I mean I'd care if it turned out my credit details were being uploaded and I'm not trying to be funny, but realistically I struggle to see the value in my data

I guess there is a difference between "Company X" has my data, and "Anyone can buy my data from Company X". I wouldn't like if my ex could go and buy my location data of Pebble. Or my boss, or a burglar.

Or your insurance company.

Re: A New Face for Pebble

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post #138

Question for people who own Pebble watches - have you read the Pebble privacy policy? They track a ridiculous amount of stuff (everything from your GPS location and activity to what other apps you run on your phone), log it indefinitely (literally 'for a period of time') in personally identifiable form, and reserve the right to sell your data to third parties. It baffles me how people can be OK with this.

You can always block internet access for the app.

The problem is that the app needs internet access, and access to much of your phone's data, to provide the watch's useful functions. You can't just block internet access without disabling apps that require online data.

That's no excuse for them to then upload all of that data to their servers for monetisation and possible sale.

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