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Re: A New Face for Pebble

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Post by dspillett »

thomasahle wrote: post #159
blub wrote: post #147

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Yes, this isn't an alternative to Android wear or Apple watch, just more of the same. Fun fact: a few months ago I was looking for a wearable which had the option to store data locally - I looked at dozens of products and only three of them offered this. One needs a Windows app to transfer data over USB, the other is the Oregon Scientific Dynamo, which has a rather poor iOS app and is quite bulky and imprecise and th…

Google may store your data indefinitely, but it doesn't sell it to third parties.

Yet. That we know of. IIRC the way the relevant EULAs are written they could do if they wanted to.

Re: A New Face for Pebble

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Post by Ntrails »

taneq wrote: post #157
Kiro wrote: post #153

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I'm OK with it. What do you want to know?

I guess I just don't understand how you can not be bothered by the fact that your watch (or more accurately, the companion app on your phone) is constantly uploading detailed, realtime information about your life to a third party? Are you hardcore in the 'nothing to hide' camp? Do you just not believe that privacy is important? If you're fine with Pebble knowing everything about you, are you fine with them selling al…

I'm struggling to care that apple knows I spent last week sleeping in Clapham, but this week sleeping in White City. I don't mind that it knows I went out near St Pauls last night. I can't even say that I'm worried if it could work out who I was out with (although frankly for that they can just read my whatsapp messages in the phone backups).

The part I would have a problem is selling that information. Because frankly I've paid enough for the phone so they can sod off. I don't own a pebble, but imagine I'd feel the same.

Now. I figure y'all have the right to get upset about the information being stored, and should have the right to opt out. But personally I'm more interested in getting worked up over other things that I want to change.

Re: A New Face for Pebble

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Post by aplummer »

taneq wrote: post #157
Kiro wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm OK with it. What do you want to know?

I guess I just don't understand how you can not be bothered by the fact that your watch (or more accurately, the companion app on your phone) is constantly uploading detailed, realtime information about your life to a third party? Are you hardcore in the 'nothing to hide' camp? Do you just not believe that privacy is important? If you're fine with Pebble knowing everything about you, are you fine with them selling al…

I actually am just not _that_ interesting and i can't see what anyone could want to really know about me...?

I mean I'd care if it turned out my credit details were being uploaded and I'm not trying to be funny, but realistically I struggle to see the value in my data

Re: A New Face for Pebble

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Post by simonh »

indy wrote: post #158
camillomiller wrote: post #149

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No. Apple may collect data but it does not sell it to third parties.

They do support CISA though: https://www.youbetrayedus.org/

They have not endorsed CISA. What the letter they (along with Microsoft) signed called for is legislation to allow sharing information about security threats, not personal information. It just happens that the only bill that does that at the moment is CISA, which unfortunately also has clauses about sharing personal information with the government.

Re: A New Face for Pebble

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Post by TuringTest »

jammur wrote: post #134
girvo wrote: post #128

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> The Apple Watch display turns on when I raise my wrist to look at it This is one of those features that has to be 100% perfect for it to work in this form factor, and based on my colleagues Apple Watch (base model), that is not the case. In addition, I don't always turn my wrist to see my Pebble -- I don't need to. This is a small feature but saying its not actually useful is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.

> This is one of those features that has to be 100% perfect for it to work in this form factor As an Apple Watch owner, I can state that this is not the case for me, and thus it clearly doesn't have to be 100% perfect. Might it frustrate some people? Sure. The tradeoff is that my watch can do many more useful things than the Pebble. The additional features are significantly more valuable to me than multiple day batte…

I'm curious, what features do you use in a smartwatch that require a high-refresh screen?

Re: A New Face for Pebble

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Post by MrSwagga »

taneq wrote: post #138

Question for people who own Pebble watches - have you read the Pebble privacy policy? They track a ridiculous amount of stuff (everything from your GPS location and activity to what other apps you run on your phone), log it indefinitely (literally 'for a period of time') in personally identifiable form, and reserve the right to sell your data to third parties. It baffles me how people can be OK with this.

You can always block internet access for the app.

Re: A New Face for Pebble

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Post by thomasahle »

dspillett wrote: post #161
thomasahle wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google may store your data indefinitely, but it doesn't sell it to third parties.

Yet. That we know of. IIRC the way the relevant EULAs are written they could do if they wanted to.

I can't say I've actually read the EULA, but they do have a nice Privacy FAQ, which I assume is nearly as legally binding: https://support.google.com/work/answer/6056650?hl=en

"Google processes your data to fulfill our contractual obligation to deliver our services. Google’s customers own their data, not Google. The data that companies, schools and students put into our systems is theirs. Google does not sell your data to third parties. Google offers our customers a detailed Data Processing Amendment that describes our commitment to protecting your data."

Another way to look at it might be, given your data is one of their biggest assets, it would be foolish to sell it.

Re: A New Face for Pebble

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Post by thomasahle »

aplummer wrote: post #163
taneq wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I just don't understand how you can not be bothered by the fact that your watch (or more accurately, the companion app on your phone) is constantly uploading detailed, realtime information about your life to a third party? Are you hardcore in the 'nothing to hide' camp? Do you just not believe that privacy is important? If you're fine with Pebble knowing everything about you, are you fine with them selling al…

I actually am just not _that_ interesting and i can't see what anyone could want to really know about me...? I mean I'd care if it turned out my credit details were being uploaded and I'm not trying to be funny, but realistically I struggle to see the value in my data

I guess there is a difference between "Company X" has my data, and "Anyone can buy my data from Company X".

I wouldn't like if my ex could go and buy my location data of Pebble. Or my boss, or a burglar.

Re: A New Face for Pebble

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Post by Kiro »

taneq wrote: post #157
Kiro wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm OK with it. What do you want to know?

I guess I just don't understand how you can not be bothered by the fact that your watch (or more accurately, the companion app on your phone) is constantly uploading detailed, realtime information about your life to a third party? Are you hardcore in the 'nothing to hide' camp? Do you just not believe that privacy is important? If you're fine with Pebble knowing everything about you, are you fine with them selling al…

I just don't find GPS locations that big of a deal. I've been sitting for a few minutes trying to come up with sinister things one could use the data for and can only find one: burglars seeing when I am not at home.

.. and even in the unlikely event of Pebble selling my data to burglars who rob me it would be a tale on its own probably worth more than whatever they can steal from me. ;)

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