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Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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What's conspicuously absent, is the CPU that's going to power this thing. Yes, it's got an Nvidia GPU, but does it have an Intel CPU, an AMD CPU, an Nvidia ARM CPU, or someone else's ARM CPU?

Completely garden-variety normal ARM-designed cores:

Cortex-X925 and Cortex-A725

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (Or is supposed to be?) I would be happy to eat my words "later this year" (per their timeline) but past Surface interactions lead me to believe it will be more of the same as in the past. Bad performance, bad battery life, bad build quality, bad compatibility. For the sake of competition and options, I really hope to be proven wrong... I just wouldn't bet on it.

> bad compatibility I’m curious what this means. Bad compatibility with Windows software? Or bad compatibility with Linux?

I was referring mainly to Windows software, Adobe Illustrator and InDesign were major pain points on the Windows side. Sure though, add Linux compatibility to the list of things that were an issue too.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Who is the target market for this? As an Apple user who can’t make iPad OS work I am always tempted by the surface but.. Every time I contemplate the surface (I like the hardware / concept) it seems the software I might want to use doesn’t support arm..

I mean, I used to be - with the disclaimer that I worked at Microsoft for a while (left in 2019), there was a hot minute when Surface devices were good and on an upward trajectory to become great. Microsoft was doing interesting things with new form factors and interface devices-- the Surface Book, Studio and Dial weren't all hits, but they were some of the only noteworthy experiments in PCs-- and they actually cared…

Moreover, the Surface Pro 1 and 2 used Wacom EMR styluses --- still regret not getting one, but then Samsung did the Galaxy Book 12 (which was about perfect), so I was _finally_ able to replace my Fujitsu Stylistic ST-4110 (the Toshiba Encore 2 Write was a necessary stop-gap).

These days I use a Samsung Galaxy Book 3 Pro 360 (w/ a spare which I panick bought when I wasn't sure if they would do a Book 4 --- now they're up to a 5), Kindle Scribe Colorsoft, Samsung Galaxy Note 10+, and have a Wacom One on my MacBook (both of which need upgrading....)

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (Or is supposed to be?) I would be happy to eat my words "later this year" (per their timeline) but past Surface interactions lead me to believe it will be more of the same as in the past. Bad performance, bad battery life, bad build quality, bad compatibility. For the sake of competition and options, I really hope to be proven wrong... I just wouldn't bet on it.

> bad compatibility I’m curious what this means. Bad compatibility with Windows software? Or bad compatibility with Linux?

In some ways.. since Microsoft is known for maintaining backwards compatibility whereas Apple is not, I think 3rd party devs are just not incentivized to care about Windows ARM compatibility.

Further, it doesn't seem like Microsoft made x86 emulation as seamless or performant as Apple did during the various MacOS CPU architecture changes.

Every use case I've looked at has been a minefield of app incompatibility and poor performance under x86 emulation.

For music production for example - https://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/windows-on-arm...

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#165

Who is the target market for this? As an Apple user who can’t make iPad OS work I am always tempted by the surface but.. Every time I contemplate the surface (I like the hardware / concept) it seems the software I might want to use doesn’t support arm..

"Enterprise" people. There's this whole other world of legacy enterprise software where people do things that run companies, write large-scale software with an ancient version of .NET, and run this software on Windows servers.

... who can't run half of their large-scale software with an ancient version of .NET on Arm.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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post #7

Surface has seen so many iterations, some terrible, some nice. Still rocking the discontinued surface laptop studio as Wacom on the go, smallish footprint (14”) creative development machine. I just love its quirkiness and the fact that I can jump on photoshop to touch up an image, use it as tablet for movies, or vs code for (not great nowadays) 6h on battery. It is an odd intersection.

>Wacom on the go

?!?

https://surfacetip.com/surface-laptop-studio/

notes:

>Supports Microsoft Pen Protocol (MPP)

which is NTrig --- or do you use a Wacom AES stylus? (bought a Bamboo AES stylus, but it wouldn't work w/ my Toshiba Encore 2 Write 10)

Or are you genericizing "Wacom" as "active digitizer stylus"?

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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post #37

I will never buy a Surface device ever again. I've been using an SL4 for the last four years with Linux on it, thanks to the surface-linux kernel. It's awful. It feels like it's actively refusing to work properly with Linux. Fair - it's not for Linux, and clearly that is expected with a Microsoft device. I've recently had to call their support for missing rubber feet. I figured I could get the replacement mailed(that…

It sounds interesting from a hardware perspective, but yeah, IMO no one other than Apple has the luxury of shipping a PC with second-class Linux support anymore. If the Linux experience is anything less than perfect, it's DOA.

Also, USB-A in 2026? Really? That was already an automatic disqualifier for me at the start of the decade.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#169

> Made for a kind of work that does not fit in a standard laptop. Yeah, sure... And that kind of work is...??? The only device I'm still happy to own from them is the Classic IntelliMouse. For me, anything else, be hardware or software, I stay very far away from them.

Microsoft mice were always of exceptional quality...

... until the Surface era, when they either had bizarre designs that didn't work well (like Arc) or else were of cheap build quality and had problematic Bluetooth chipsets.

The first Bluetooth mouse I got was Microsoft's circa 2002, which was an amazing piece of tech back then.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#170
My experience with Surfaces and, particularly, the Surface Book and its accompanying dock were such that I'd have to be paid to use one again. For example, the dock would get its own updates silently and brick itself randomly and the proprietary magnetic connector between the dock and the computer was prone to a poor connection. I remember many occasions trying to work and my screens just randomly blinking in and out. To get service we'd have to go to a local Microsoft Store, a sad replica of the aging Apple "shiny glass minimalism" aesthetic, which have since all closed so we'd have to mail the thing today instead.
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