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Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Who is the target market for this?

As an Apple user who can’t make iPad OS work I am always tempted by the surface but..

Every time I contemplate the surface (I like the hardware / concept) it seems the software I might want to use doesn’t support arm..

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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post #37

I will never buy a Surface device ever again. I've been using an SL4 for the last four years with Linux on it, thanks to the surface-linux kernel. It's awful. It feels like it's actively refusing to work properly with Linux. Fair - it's not for Linux, and clearly that is expected with a Microsoft device. I've recently had to call their support for missing rubber feet. I figured I could get the replacement mailed(that…

In recent times support is part of what I consider when I buy Apple products. It is by no means the best but I can always get a human at whatever time of day and they will listen to my problem and attempt to address it. But as for getting rubber feet, I'm sure it's some backwards process with Apple too, if at all possible.

I thought maybe they were available with the new self service repair portal for Apple but nope, you have to order the entire bottom case.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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post #3

„Built on Windows”. That’s like anti-ad these days. Maybe, maybe worth looking at if you can run other OS than Windows on it, but that will probably take some time.

The emphasis on the fans kicking off also had a bit of a turn-off.

Can't believe they led with that in the promo video. They potentially have whats finally a competitor to an apple silicon MBP, and they lead with fans?? I love my macbooks precisely because they are silent (among other things, obviously).

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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post #3

„Built on Windows”. That’s like anti-ad these days. Maybe, maybe worth looking at if you can run other OS than Windows on it, but that will probably take some time.

Ya, i dont know of anyone wanting to run very large AI models in a windows environment. Or, frankly, on a laptop. Why not just VPN into a dedicated server?

With BUILD happening tomorrow, I suspect Microsoft is going to have some stuff about local AI there with MS Foundry on Windows/Foundry Local. The timing of this announcement a day before BUILD is obviously intentional.

Suddenly all the Windows K2 stuff makes sense, but I doubt it'll be enough. Its too little too late for Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#135

Who is the target market for this? As an Apple user who can’t make iPad OS work I am always tempted by the surface but.. Every time I contemplate the surface (I like the hardware / concept) it seems the software I might want to use doesn’t support arm..

It’s in the first line of the article. It’s for people that make the world, obviously

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs are not yet capable of generating the level of marketing wankery seen here.

What do you mean, that's pretty much everything LLMs generate "Nothing wasted. Everything intentional." That's the most ChatGPT line ever, where everything has to be a cringy punchline "A machine like this should not sit still. It should be pushed. Taken to the edge. Used to make real what others call impossible." I really hope no human would write something like that

> I really hope no human would write something like that

I see you haven't interacted with marketing people. I can 100% believe that some marketing person wrote the copy.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#137

I'm pretty happy to see someone else making a serious play in the ultra-premium notebook market. For way too long Apple has basically only been in competition with the much heavier "desktop replacement"/gaming laptops, or the flimsy/plasticky likes of Dell and LG with questionable trackpads. Real competition in this space could be a great thing for consumers

That's what the Surface was supposed to be. It's Microsoft's example design for the other OEMs to strive for.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Cool

…but never buy v1 hardware folks! Especially for limited runs like high end laptops.

Apple quality comes from scale. A narrow product line means they have literally hundreds or thousands times more testing than PC ultra books. (And still — don’t buy a first iteration of a new Apple chassis.)

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

#139

I've had surface devices for a long time, originally for work to test HTML Canvas with the touchscreen. Unlike a lot of the other comments, I've had a nice time with them. The screens are a great quality, the keyboard especially in later versions is quite good. Drawing on them is nice. Battery life is middling, though.

Same experience. I still have one of the Snaprdagon X1 Elite surface laptops for the few times i need a windows machine, it's nice. It's about the closest you'll get to a MacBook in Windows land.

Also unlike the rest of HN, I don't have complete hatred of Windows. I wouldn't mind picking up one of these, but I'm almost certain the price is going to be somewhere between unaffordable and completely ridiculous.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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A former employer of mine, owned by a retired NFL player, purchased Surface devices for the sales staff in addition to their laptops. This was presumably because Microsoft and the NFL had a deal where everyone on the sidelines were using Surfaces and they thought it was a good idea. I say that because no one was asking for them, and when we received them I was inundated with tickets about poor performance: "my surface is slow", "my surface is glitchy". I dreaded working on these things. Everyone just went back to their laptops. Tens of thousands of dollars wasted.

It's a shame, Microsoft could really do something if they created an ARM device that had the battery life of Apple Silicon, yet was a real computer that wasn't locked down, ensured/promoted ARM compatibility with their ecosystem. Heck, I'd even be OK with Windows 11, I know how to remove all the garbage now and could run WSL (though I'd prefer to just boot Linux on it).

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