> The PP and Vox voted against it. Junts abstained from the session.
This is the bad guys.
Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
I fervently hope that no one manages to obtain a similar judgment at the pan-EU level, that would be a disaster.
I don't think there's an injunction mechanism like that at the EU level And even if there were I doubt the legal basis in EU law exists for such an injunction
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Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga
#164Context: last year LaLiga (top-level Spanish football league) obtained a court order compelling Spanish ISPs to block certain IPs during football matches, as those IPs have been associated with illegal streams of live matches. Many of those IPs are shared Cloudflare IPs, with the result being many legitimate sites become unavailable in Spain during LaLiga matches https://cybernews.com/news/spain-laliga-streaming-pira…
As shitty as the government approach is here we can't keep glossing over the fact that a significant part of the web is now incredibly dependent on Cloudflare and no matter how many times we face issues with huge consequences nobody seems to care.
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why though? Why is it unreasonable to expect a company to have some level of responsibility for serving clients that are using their platform for illegal activity? It the same thing with social media and moderation. We don't have to let them off the hook just because doing the right thing would make them unprofitable.
I mean, how do we qualify which companies get punished for which crimes? Do we punish gun manufacturers for someone being shot? Kitchen utensil companies for someone being stabbed? Car manufacturers for car crashes? Road construction companies for human trafficking? How deep does this go? Is a steel foundry responsible for the stabbing? Is a camera lens manufacturer responsible for illegal porn?
That is something we'll need to figure out. Just because it requires some work to figure out where to draw the line, it doesn't make it wrong to draw one.
Banks are generally required to check that their customers are not laundering money. In a lot of countries it's illegal to buy or sell goods that you know are very likely stolen.
It don't think it's outrageous to expect more action from Cloudflare when they must know that their service is used for protecting criminal sites.
Relatedly I'd want the betting companies whose ads are shown on these illegal pages to have some amount of responsibility for where their ads are shown, and the same goes for well-renowned websites that show clearly deceiving ads.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
> No notification What ISP? I'm using Vodafone and if I accept the insecure connection (because of mismatched certificate), I get served the notification. You don't get that?
Why would you ever accept a mismatched certificate? Even assuming that you think your ISP has no nefarious plans, are you going to be able to rigorously confirm it's their certificate? At that point you've bypassed all the mechanisms in your browser that do this heavy lifting for you.
Erm, where is the danger in a mismatched certificate, if all I want is to get some noncritical information from a blog or something?
Re: Spain's parliament will act against massive IP blockages by LaLiga
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
The judiciary is part of the government. Being an independent branch doesn't change that. Government doesn't just mean legislative.
That's not what the constitution says though. "Government" ("Gobierno") is what an American would understand "executive branch" to be, I'm guessing this is why it's confusing. I tried to make it easier by adding the translations, but maybe that's just making it more confusing :) I guess broadly in English you'd say the judges are part of the state, but they're not a part of the Spanish Government.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
The judiciary is part of the government. Being an independent branch doesn't change that. Government doesn't just mean legislative.
That’s true in America, but the word government is applied more narrowly elsewhere, including in the UK.
What matters is what the OP was communicating with it, and in English it means all state bodies responsible for administration. No one would argue the US Supreme Court is not part of the government.
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#170Genuinely never thought I'd see the day. This has been horrible for me running an event ticketing business in Spain... where downtime is basically not acceptable.
Why would you be using Cloudflare when there are better options, especially if you've known for years that this has been going on? Seems like a poor business decision really. Don't get me wrong, I hate getting blocked just because there is a La Liga game, but lets also take some responsibility for our own decisions here...
Right I mean I had to move off Cloudflare. I looked into some creative options like DNS steering to keep it for all other countries, but in the end it was cleaner to just move away entirely which was a shame.