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Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by conartist6 »

boleary-gl wrote: post #143
Kim_Bruning wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, I personally read it as "Use of good tools makes you more competitive", but you're right that "I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." could have multiple other readings too.

Author and Kilo Code team member here - yes your interpretation is what I meant...but to be fair as you mention it could be read multiple ways. Let's be fair - I made it intentionally a little provocative :)

Haha I'm glad to hear it, because I do the same of course.

What I might not have mentioned is that I've spent the last 5 years and 20,000 or so hours building an IDE from scratch. Not a fork of VSCode, mind you, but the real deal: a new "kernel" and integration layer with abilities that VSCode and its forks can't even dream of. It's a proper race and I'm about to drop the hammer on you.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by jonathantf2 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #15
epistasis wrote: post #6

I'm trying to cancel my Claude plan right now, because mid-research I got hit with a one hour time out for the first time, and I realized just how little I need the "expensive" research stuff and just want basic language refinement and some basic augmented knowledge search to get more terms to search the web. And all that basic stuff gets cutoff when you hit some invisible barrier that you have no way of controlling…

My credit card web portal has a section for reversing transactions without having to call anyone. Maybe yours does too?

My bank app has a bit where it detects common services and tells you how to cancel them in the app, like Amazon Prime

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by bananapub »

sudhirj wrote: post #26

Did the Max plan ever promise unlimited anything? I’m on it, and I remember seeing and paying for 20x, not infinity. There is a case to be made that they sold a multiple and are changing x or rate limiting x differently, but the tone seems different from that.

> Did the Max plan ever promise unlimited anything?

no, even their announcement blog[0] said:

> With up to 20x higher usage limits

in the third paragraph.

0: https://www.anthropic.com/news/max-plan

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by bananapub »

apwell23 wrote: post #150
superasn wrote: post #66

I'm not a fan of usage caps either, but that Reddit post [1] (“You deserve harsh limits”) does highlight a perspective worth considering. When some users burn massive amounts of compute just to climb leaderboards or farm karma, it’s not hard to imagine why providers might respond with tighter limits—not because it's ideal, but because that kind of behavior makes platforms harder to sustain and less accessible for eve…

lets not blame shift anthropic bait and switch to 'bad users' . Surely they thought about 'bad users' when they released this product. They can't be that naive. Now that they have captured developer mindshare. users are bad.

> anthropic bait and switch

what was the bait and switch? where in the launch announcement (https://www.anthropic.com/news/max-plan) did they suggest it provided unlimited inference?

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by infecto »

conartist6 wrote: post #82
atonse wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. While there are developers that truly build new technology and invent novel solutions, the overwhelming majority of developers who are paid for their work daily do pretty mundane and boring software development. They are implementing business logic, building forms, building tables, etc. And AI already excels at building those sorts of things faster and with cleaner code. I’ve never once seen a model gener…

I'm one working on novel tech, without AI. I've never been doing more valuable work or been more in command of my craft. Yet the blanket statement is that I will fail and be replaced, and in fact that people like me don't exist! So heck yeah I'll come clap back on that.

Your interpretation of the original quote is so far off that I would question your interpretation of the world. Sure novel stuff is being built but the vast majority of code at all sizes of companies has been written before in some iteration. Even for the novel work being done, it’s being surrounded by layers of code that has probably being written before. Are engineers going anywhere? No. But I also don’t think it’s far fetched to see a possible near term of competent engineers who use AI tools being more productive than the ones who don’t. I am not talking about copy and pasting but rather thoughtful use of tooling.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by delfinom »

conartist6 wrote: post #32

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

O no, it's not hype. The problem is the sentence is incomplete.

a developer using AI in a low-cost region will replace any developer in a high cost region ;)

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by apwell23 »

bananapub wrote: post #164
apwell23 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lets not blame shift anthropic bait and switch to 'bad users' . Surely they thought about 'bad users' when they released this product. They can't be that naive. Now that they have captured developer mindshare. users are bad.

> anthropic bait and switch what was the bait and switch? where in the launch announcement ( https://www.anthropic.com/news/max-plan ) did they suggest it provided unlimited inference?

so where did 'bad users' come from if users were simply doing what they were allowed to?

why is anthropic tweeting about 'naughty users that ruined it for everyone' ?

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