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Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by ironchest »

richbell wrote: post #126
Dalewyn wrote: post #119

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>or not being more explicit when writing them. You really can't get anymore explicit than "sites that generate HTML from text ... such as ... GitHub ... are NOT permitted." They even emphasized the "NOT" in "NOT permitted" to try and drive the point home for the particularly dense: You are not allowed to use Github, and all the others, period. Is excluding Github okay? If you ask me, that question is irrelevant. The…

> You really can't get anymore explicit than "sites that generate HTML from text ... such as ... GitHub ... are NOT permitted." > Is excluding Github okay? If you ask me, that question is irrelevant. The contest is about making a website by hand, nothing more and nothing less. This is an artificial environment and situation, and you either accept the rules and play by them or don't accept them and go elsewhere. It's…

it is kind of irrelevant, because we don't know anything about the process that led to GitHub being included on the list. Could be lack of technical knowledge as you pointed out, but could as easily be an admin problem, or any other operational problems with clearing submissions, or something else.

Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by Goz3rr »

mcv wrote: post #146
Goz3rr wrote: post #92

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The rules specifically namedrop Github: > Template engine websites, tools, and sites that generate HTML from text, markdown, or script files, such as Webs, Wix, Weebly, GitHub, Jekyll, and Replit, are NOT permitted. With Jekyll being there, I can only assume the intention was to mention GitHub Pages as an example, but as it is the rules clearly say using GitHub is NOT permitted. They could've questioned this discrepa…

But they used github just for git. If they hadn't mentioned github, nobody could have known. Or cared.

To you and me it seems obvious, but to someone less familiar the rules clearly say using Github is prohibited, even if it is for the wrong reasons. At that point you should either get clarification of the rules, or take the risk and end up in the situation OP is in now.

Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by giancarlostoro »

newaccount74 wrote: post #7

Ah... student competitions... that brings up memories... When I was 15 or so, I took part in a tech competition for under 19 year olds. I designed and programmed a website for "grading" your teachers, complete with an admin interface for generating anonymous 1 time use codes for students. The goal was to make it easy for schools to allow students to provide anonymous, private feedback to their teachers. I didn't win…

I have a feeling you could of sued for copyright.

Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by mcv »

alxlaz wrote: post #76
bitwize wrote: post #54

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> These young people learned a very important lesson: Rules are rules are rules, and they must be followed, even if they don't make any sense. That is very obviously not the case, seeing how they literally followed the rules. This isn't a case of pointless rules being senselessly enforced, it's a case of a teacher erroneously enforcing a rule they did not understand in a case where it did not apply.

> That is very obviously not the case, seeing how they literally followed the rules.

They followed the spirit of the rules rather than the letter, because Github was explicitly mentioned as one of the banned templating engines. Had they used an unlisted templating engine, they might have gotten away with it.

Github obviously does not belong in that list, but to the busibodies at the contest, that's irrelevant.

Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by cxr »

Dalewyn wrote: post #149
cxr wrote: post #147

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Here's what you said: > The rules don't specify "github.io" or "load .md files", it broadly specifies "Github" the website "that generate[s] HTML from text" in no uncertain terms. And that's just not true; the no-GitHub-whatsoever interpretation that you're pushing simply can't be described as "no[t] uncertain". In fact, I'd wager that a polling would reveal that most folks in a position to interpret the rules would…

The rule closes off with, their emphasis, "NOT permitted". If that combined with a specific name drop are "uncertain" to you, you should retake your English classes.

Perhaps you should bone up on your Latin.

GitHub qua "template engine website" is "NOT permitted". That's certain.

GitHub qua code host? Not only is that, in fact, not stated "in no uncertain terms", but insisting that it's both forbidden and that it's clear that it's forbidden comes across as trying to will your way to truth.

Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by lelanthran »

cxr wrote: post #154
Dalewyn wrote: post #90

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Are they not? The rules clearly state "no Github", and when confronted with that fact their response is "it's stupid" and to go off on tangents about Github this and Github that. That's being ignorant of the rules, and being arrogant when you are told to abide them next time.

> their response is "it's stupid" You're going to need to cite a source for that one, skipper. On the (what appears at this point to be the not unreasonable) chance that you just made that up, and on the topic of what not to do: false quotes on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13602947 > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15892014 >

>> their response is "it's stupid"

> You're going to need to cite a source for that one, skipper.

This comes pretty close: making fun of the person who enforced the rule that GitHub is not allowed:

> You heard it here first folks, GitHub IS NOT the industry standard for hosting code collaboration and version control through Git, an expected tool for anyone entering the industry and a priceless skill for any aspiring developer.

Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by FredPret »

Dalewyn wrote: post #63
onli wrote: post #59

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I'm really sorry you feel that way. I dont even disagree that this BS exists, but it is almost nonexistent in my world. Just to say this is not the lesson the students have to learn.

It's good that students learn this lesson now than later. Right now they get to learn these lessons with no skin off their backs. They're kids, most of the stuff they do is of no consequence one way or another. Once they enter the real world and the workforce, they get to learn these lessons with prices ranging from reprimands to terminations. Hardly a fun thing to go through.

Perhaps this is adequate encouragement for them NOT to join the work force? Why is being an employee and following arbitrary rules set by less intelligent people than oneself the default way to be a productive citizen?

Smart kids should start a business, and when this inevitably fails, try again. We no longer need an army of rule-worshippers like during the industrial revolution. Learning to reconcile oneself to repeated business failure is psychologically easier and much more valuable to society than becoming a cubicle dweller.

Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by Dalewyn »

FredPret wrote: post #167
Dalewyn wrote: post #63

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It's good that students learn this lesson now than later. Right now they get to learn these lessons with no skin off their backs. They're kids, most of the stuff they do is of no consequence one way or another. Once they enter the real world and the workforce, they get to learn these lessons with prices ranging from reprimands to terminations. Hardly a fun thing to go through.

Perhaps this is adequate encouragement for them NOT to join the work force? Why is being an employee and following arbitrary rules set by less intelligent people than oneself the default way to be a productive citizen? Smart kids should start a business, and when this inevitably fails, try again. We no longer need an army of rule-worshippers like during the industrial revolution. Learning to reconcile oneself to repe…

"Workforce" applies to both employers and employees, and employers are still beholden to regulations, contracts, and other requirements mandated from customers and regulatory bodies.

Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub

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Post by cxr »

lelanthran wrote: post #166
cxr wrote: post #154

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> their response is "it's stupid" You're going to need to cite a source for that one, skipper. On the (what appears at this point to be the not unreasonable) chance that you just made that up, and on the topic of what not to do: false quotes on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13602947 > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15892014 >

>> their response is "it's stupid" > You're going to need to cite a source for that one, skipper. This comes pretty close: making fun of the person who enforced the rule that GitHub is not allowed: > You heard it here first folks, GitHub IS NOT the industry standard for hosting code collaboration and version control through Git, an expected tool for anyone entering the industry and a priceless skill for any aspiring…

That's not a quote. Where can the words "it's stupid" be found?

Here, let me show you a quote:

> > lecturing everyone "No, you really want to have 0 risk, you fools"

> On HN, please don't use quotation marks that make it look like you're quoting someone when you're not. It may seem a minor point, but we've found that it's important for clarity and respect.

> Also, "lecturing everyone" is borderline name-calling, which the site guidelines ask you not to do: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

(From one of my earlier links.)

See? That's how quotes work. Someone actually said those things.

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