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Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
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Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are they not? The rules clearly state "no Github", and when confronted with that fact their response is "it's stupid" and to go off on tangents about Github this and Github that. That's being ignorant of the rules, and being arrogant when you are told to abide them next time.
Rules are inherently subject to interpretation. I actually learned the opposite of what you're preaching in school. I struggled to shorten a report to meet requirements. A friend of mine was 10 pages over the limit and went on to win a laptop with his report. Some rules are more akin to guidelines, turns out. It's not unreasonable to interpret this instances' rule as "no templates" rather than "no GitHub".
The rule is: "Template engine websites, tools, and sites that generate HTML from text, markdown, or script files ..."
Followed by an inexhaustive list of examples: "such as Webs, Wix, Weebly, GitHub, Jekyll, and Replit ... "
Finally closing off with a strongly emphasized: " ... are NOT permitted."
No matter the interpretation, you're not supposed to use something that can automagically generate HTML, which Github absolutely is one such example. Whether you "only" use Github as a file repository is irrelevant, you are not allowed to use Github, nor all the others, nor examples not named.
For what it's worth, I will point out that Rule G (permits use of "state-of-the-art web-based applications") and Rule H (permits selective use of Wordpress, Joomla, et al.) are in conflict with Rule I (this rule) because such tools and underlying tools like PHP and JavaScript are "tools that generate HTML from text, markdown, or script files". If rules should be reconsidered, they are Rules G and H.
Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
What you say is 100% true. And also 100% irrelevant to the topic at hand. The latter is the problem.
It's relevant. The article has a sarcastic section asserting that GitHub is an industry standard and job requirement. What I don't like seeing is a new generation thinking DVCS implies Microsoft GitHub.
> What I don't like seeing is a new generation thinking DVCS implies Microsoft GitHub
It does. GitHub won. Git and GitHub are synonymous now.
Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#124They obviously meant GitHub Copilot, but it got 'lost in the translation' and here we are.
You can also use GitHub copilot outside of a GitHub repository, and there would be no way to verify that
Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#125This is one of those important events in life where you realise that sometimes those who hold seniority over you aren't necessarily as smart as you are. This experience will help you to cultivate a healthy disrespect for authority. We all go through something like this at some point. The best thing to do is to find some sort of constructive way to channel your experience. One path I would suggest is to consider launc…
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>These young people learned a very important lesson: Rules are rules are rules, and they must be followed, even if they don't make any sense.
no, this is tyrannical. "rules" are just words that somebody wrote down. that somebody can be wrong.
like in this case, it said "templating engine websites such as github" -- that's wrong, because github is not a templating engine website.
Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
We should foster a world full of people who use their brains to interpret rules. If we're going to blindly do something because "it's the exact rule written here" then we might as well replace all decision makers with an AI that never interprets anything. Their teacher was wrong for not interpreting the rules correctly - everyone's aware of that. On top of that the people writing those rules were wrong as well for ei…
>or not being more explicit when writing them. You really can't get anymore explicit than "sites that generate HTML from text ... such as ... GitHub ... are NOT permitted." They even emphasized the "NOT" in "NOT permitted" to try and drive the point home for the particularly dense: You are not allowed to use Github, and all the others, period. Is excluding Github okay? If you ask me, that question is irrelevant. The…
> You really can't get anymore explicit than "sites that generate HTML from text ... such as ... GitHub ... are NOT permitted."
> Is excluding Github okay? If you ask me, that question is irrelevant. The contest is about making a website by hand, nothing more and nothing less. This is an artificial environment and situation, and you either accept the rules and play by them or don't accept them and go elsewhere.
It's not irrelevant: it's the crux of the issue. The rule was clearly written by someone that lacks in-depth technical skills and is nonsensical. Ask yourself: would they have been disqualified if they used GitLab?
Saying "oh well that's the rules" is an awful attitude and does not prepare people for the "real world". The real world is full of people who have absolutely no idea what they're doing and like to swing around their authority. If you aren't able or willing to correct demands from people who are blatantly incompetent in a low stakes high-school competition, you're not going to have a valuable or fulfilling career.
Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The rules clearly state "no Github" Did you actually read the rules? "Template engine websites, tools, and sites that generate HTML from text, markdown, or script files, such as Webs, Wix, Weebly, GitHub, Jekyll, and Replit, are NOT permitted." That rule is NOT clear; it implies that Github is forbidden specifically as a "site that generates HTML". There's no reason to interpret it as meaning that you can't even li…
The rule is "Template engine websites, tools, and sites that generate HTML from text, markdown, or script files ... are NOT permitted." and goes on to mention an inexhaustive list of examples which names Github among others. That is abundantly clear you cannot use Github. If you didn't read the rules, that's ignorance. If you read the rules and knowingly violate them, that's arrogance. If you unintentionally violate…
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Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Following the rules didn't help them. The rule was no templating tools that generate code. They didn't use that. It simply seems like they had to deal with a school official who was too dumb to know what GitHub was and too egotistical to admit they might be wrong. I actually dealt with something similar back in my high school days. I self-taught myself to program starting around age 10 or so. So by the time I was off…
The rules specifically namedrop Github: > Template engine websites, tools, and sites that generate HTML from text, markdown, or script files, such as Webs, Wix, Weebly, GitHub, Jekyll, and Replit, are NOT permitted. With Jekyll being there, I can only assume the intention was to mention GitHub Pages as an example, but as it is the rules clearly say using GitHub is NOT permitted. They could've questioned this discrepa…
> On top of that, until yesterday they actually (accidentally) ran Jekyll during CI as well because it is hosted on GitHub pages: ...
That's just the commit where they added `.nojekyll` at Reddit's suggestion. (Unless I'm not seeing something on mobile.)
More context + the offending run is here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/117rw3d/was_just_di...
Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really do not like that you continue to call these students ignorant and arrogant.
Are they not? The rules clearly state "no Github", and when confronted with that fact their response is "it's stupid" and to go off on tangents about Github this and Github that. That's being ignorant of the rules, and being arrogant when you are told to abide them next time.
They are not.
Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#130"GitHub IS NOT the industry standard for hosting code collaboration and version control through Git, an expected tool for anyone entering the industry and a priceless skill for any aspiring developer." Is this a conflation of Git and GitHub?
Practically speaking Github is Git. It's the industry standard. In the last 10 years, I've not worked at one place that didn't use github.
Thanks for the clarification.