Iran abolishes morality police

Post by msrenee » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 3:16 PM UTC

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #155

msrenee wrote: post #129

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Well, we took their agency away and removed a government that at least wasn't outright killing women for wearing pants. This is also a great way to produce extremists, which then moved into the power vacuum created by throwing their governing system into chaos. We've done it a number of times in South America as well. I'd say there's enough data points to believe that we punted them into the downwards spiral that the…

Is it fair to characterize the 1979 revolution as extremist without qualification? We find it extreme by our own standards, but by most accounts Khomeini was very popular in Iran.

Post by talideon » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 3:20 PM UTC

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No, I think you could tell quite well what people want when they put their lives on the line to make a change. Im sure there is a part of the population that is vested with the current system but that is generally a smaller part that is working in that system and which is somewhat propped up by manipulted rural masses who may also have had enough of this too.

> what people want when they put their lives on the line to make a change [removed: a reference to The Troubles] A minority of people can feel very, very strongly about something without the majority of people feeling that way. > [the] part of the population [that supports the Iranian regime] is generally a smaller part Happy to believe that, but where’s the data? That some people are clearly very angry at the monstr…

Post by gcheong » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 3:21 PM UTC

Eisenstein wrote: post #122

hairofadog wrote: post #91

It’s worth noting that Iran was a democracy until the 1953, when the US and UK supported a coup to install a corrupt dictator so they could avoid paying oil fees. The 1979 Iranian revolution was the pendulum swinging back hard the other way. I’m in no way supporting Iran’s religious extremism or current government, but they are monsters that we created. The coup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%…

> but they are monsters that we created. I think we should be careful using wording like that. The Iranians have agency and can do things on their own. Just because the west meddled in things doesn't give us the right to claim the results as ours, be they good or bad.

Post by legolas2412 » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 3:22 PM UTC

andsoitis wrote: post #162

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As a third world national whose country was immersed in a 35 year old civil war purposefully created by the CIA.. I find it incredibly difficult to restrain myself. I would really suggest you to research a little bit more about your own history. It’s really hurtful to read this.

> As a third world national whose country Which country?

Post by petesergeant » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 3:27 PM UTC

talideon wrote: post #163

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> what people want when they put their lives on the line to make a change [removed: a reference to The Troubles] A minority of people can feel very, very strongly about something without the majority of people feeling that way. > [the] part of the population [that supports the Iranian regime] is generally a smaller part Happy to believe that, but where’s the data? That some people are clearly very angry at the monstr…

The Troubles didn't start because of people pushing for a United Ireland. They started as a consequence of the violent crackdown against the civil rights movement. The IRA was a largely spent force up until then. It's very important to keep that in mind when saying anything about the Troubles.