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Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by mantas »

theGeatZhopa wrote: post #10

They're still able to have fun there. Rides continue to work :) On the other side, in some parts of Europe there's a discussion to let the infected go to work (even with symptoms and of course, if one's feeling capable of work) - but, still, go to work with other infected/work with infected. I can understand that with so high density in people even one infection can lead to big massive spreads and thus to overloaded…

> in some parts of Europe there's a discussion to let the infected go to work

Discussions? It's already a thing at least here in Lithuania. Unless you're seriously ill with side effects, you're good to go.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by mantas »

thablackbull wrote: post #126
ceilingcorner wrote: post #41

Every time I see events like this happen, I get extremely skeptical of the idea that China will somehow replace the US as leader of the world. I’m not sure if I’m justified in thinking so, but I just cannot imagine actions like this leading to a creative, innovative culture.

If I say that I'm not sure how students who live in a climate of fear and need to practice active shooter drills after every school shooting can lead to a creative and innovative culture, do you think that holds?

Better question is do we need creative and innovative culture. It's rather destructive when everyone wants to be a creator and nobody is willing to do hard not-so-fancy jobs. Somebody has to do plumbing and install electricity for all the influnkers and utubers.

Obviously there's a need for a small portion of pioneers. But should society aim for mass creativity or just highlight those who cannot not create.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by sokoloff »

nells wrote: post #100
i_am_proteus wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally had hoped the pan demic would normalize the wearing of gloves when in public, to be taken off as needed to eat, etc. But here we are. [Edited to explicitly indicate that this was a satirical post]

Some people here in HN said that the pandemic would normalise using masks - the way things are now every time I see someone wearing a mask I can’t help but think that they are ill and infectious; it’s very very rare. So glad that we are back to the way it was.

I see a few people each day wearing masks. I don’t jump to any particular conclusion about it; why they wear it is their business.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by CaptainZapp »

xiphias2 wrote: post #149
nixcraft wrote: post #23

Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

The question is what is the problem the Chinese government wants to solve? If they want to limit demonstrations and get even more power over the people, lockdowns and not allowing mRNA based vaccines inside the country is a great tool.

> The question is what is the problem the Chinese government wants to solve?

They want to avoid that the Dear Leader (who went all in on a massively restrictive Covid policy and took full credit for it) loses face.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by CaptainZapp »

ihatepython wrote: post #113
elvis10ten wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> washing hands I always thought the pandemic will make fist bumps or other forms of greetings “mainstream”. But everyone (I know) have reverted back to hand shakes. I guessing the same with Covid hygiene measures. > get the vaccine without turning into political drama all over Twitter. Like the majority of the people not taking the vaccine are on Twitter or do so because of social media drama.

I prefer handshakes to make sure someone isn't carrying a knife or dagger. Covid is less of a worry.

Thoroughly washing hands regularly is one of the one behavior I kept after the pandemic.

I'm aware that fomites are not the main cause (or even a cause at all) that the disease spreads. Nevertheless, proper hand hygiene seems to be a good idea to me.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by gwd »

mschuster91 wrote: post #136
nixcraft wrote: post #23

Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

> So how long can China keep up with this zero policy as factories move production elsewhere? The divestment of China has more reasons than just COVID: - Wages in China have risen to a point where other countries have an advantage because unchecked capitalism always optimizes for "inefficiency", and labor costs are an immense factor for these extremely large operations - Western sanctions against China have increased…

> Chinese vaccines are absolute trash compared to Western vaccines, but Xi Jinping can't really backtrack on his decision to only use domestic vaccines because that would imply he, the half-god, has made an error in judgement.

The Chinese vaccine was the first vaccine out; and in particular the mRNA vaccine technology was new and unproven. There would be no shame in saying, "We can be proud that Sinovac was the first vaccine approved; it saved millions of lives and allowed us to go back to normal long before anyone else. But now, in the light of the new, more virulent strains of COVID (created in part by decision of the rest of the world not to implement coordinated lockdown strategies), and in the light of the extensive testing of the new mRNA vaccine technology, it makes sense to move on."

At least, there shouldn't be any shame in saying something like that; the shame is only in he heads of the CCP.

This is the political equivalent of a comb-over. People wearing a comb-over look in the mirror and convince themselves that it looks better than just being bald; whereas everyone else can already see that they're bald, and disrespect them more for refusing to accept the fact than they would just pure baldness.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by tsol »

lvturner wrote: post #120
notacanofsoda wrote: post #25

Where do people sleep in the park?

They don't -- they may leave if they show a negative covid test, and one would assume there are testing capabilities on site shortly after the announcement. Last report is that everyone left by 10:30pm [0] Don't get me wrong however, I would not appreciate being stuck in such circumstances for multiple hours. [0] https://www.scmp.com/video/coronavirus/3197996/thousands-stu... (video timestamp: 0:50)

>Last report is that everyone left by 10:30pm [0]

That certainly sounds hectic, but this feels like clickbait. Being delayed by a few hours is pretty typical anywhere you may go with unforeseen circumstances.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by sokoloff »

ummonk wrote: post #143
SanjayMehta wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Makes one wonder what exactly they know about the virus which scares them so much.

They just can't convince enough of their elderly to take the vaccine, so they have to choose between continuing the lockdowns or letting a large chunk of their elderly population die out of anti-vax stubbornness.

In the trolley problem of deciding between screwing up life for everyone versus having some people die because they chose not to get a vaccine, that doesn’t seem like a close call to me.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by ramraj07 »

ihatepython wrote: post #113
elvis10ten wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> washing hands I always thought the pandemic will make fist bumps or other forms of greetings “mainstream”. But everyone (I know) have reverted back to hand shakes. I guessing the same with Covid hygiene measures. > get the vaccine without turning into political drama all over Twitter. Like the majority of the people not taking the vaccine are on Twitter or do so because of social media drama.

I prefer handshakes to make sure someone isn't carrying a knife or dagger. Covid is less of a worry.

But how would you judge a MANs character by the firmness of his handshake then?

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

4ggr0 wrote: post #156
nells wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It takes a special kind of person to cover half their face with a dirty mask and make it harder for themselves to breathe just so they don’t catch a cold.

> just so they don’t catch a cold. The people I know who still wear masks and myself wear them so that others don't get our cold, not necessarily to protect ourselves. A form of respect towards co-workers etc.

Yes. Unfortunately it hasn’t stuck in Australia either. Back to people coughing all over everything out in public. I cannot remember a time as an adult where I have had so few sick days over a 3 year span. Guess that’s over now.
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