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Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by d3nj4l »

dspillett wrote: post #140
sph wrote: post #139

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Bah, what a dumb argument. There's a whole ocean between "we don't really support Docker, you're on your own" and "if you dare ask this again, you'll get banned." That's not the Kubernetes guys being religious here. Also, it doesn't even make sense on the engineering point of view. I understand not liking Docker the company or Kubernetes the product, but Linux namespaces are a kernel level facility, and banning peopl…

> There's a whole ocean between "we don't really support Docker" and "if you dare ask this again, you'll get banned." There is. And I'm suggesting that the water filling that ocean has come from having the same discussion over and over again with people who have asked in the past, each thinking they might be the one to finally help you see the light. I've not personally dealt with it from the point of view of infrast…

Perhaps there is a difference between "not wanting to engage on the matter" and "banning someone on sight"? Maybe there's polite ways to say, "Sorry, but we're not interested in supporting docker, and we don't care about any arguments for it" that would take less effort than rudely telling someone to fuck off?

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by gavinray »

_ktx2 wrote: post #122
bee_rider wrote: post #30

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I think we should emphasize that Sourcehut is just currently free while it is in alpha. Mr. DeVault been very upfront about the fact that he's planning to start charging eventually. From his FAQ, https://man.sr.ht/billing-faq.md#why-should-i-pay-when-githu... The point is to set up a responsible financial situation between himself and the users and avoid the bad incentive structures that "free" services have ("Free"…

Does SourceHut still have an aversion to Kubernetes and Docker? Last year I was trying to setup SourceHut on my home infra (which is Docker/SystemD based, but was Kubernetes based) and I was told I'd be banned if I asked about it, and that they don't support that kind of software. Super weird interaction from someone I otherwise used to admire.

Drew seemed irritated when I posted a Dockerfile for setting up the Hare language language compiler for development on the mailing list, trying to save other folks the effort.

https://gist.github.com/GavinRay97/e3c166c5ba24c2c1bc4a09d7b...

He said "Docker isn't a supported installation mechanism."

I wasn't aware of Drew's anti-docker stance, whoops.

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by throwaway0x7E6 »

strenholme wrote: post #15

Here is a list of free Git hosting services for open source software: • https://github.com/ • https://gitlab.com/ • https://bitbucket.org/ • https://codeberg.org/ (As per the linked article) • https://sr.ht/ (Sourcehut) Codeberg and Sourcehut appear to use open source code for their web page backend; the others seem to use proprietary software (in the case of GitLab, there is a free version, but gitlab.com also uses…

Github and Bitbucket will shut you down on a whim of twitter sharia police

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/c-plus-equality-c

I suggest to use and support the alternative that explicitly promises not to engage in censorship - gitgud.io

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by remram »

hnlmorg wrote: post #107
remram wrote: post #80

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I just took one look, I had never heard of it before, and... it's depending on the serialization order of steps in the YAML to run pipelines?! What fresh hell is this? Loading the YAML file in a language where dictionaries/hashmaps don't preserve the insertion order and serializing again will break your file? How could they fail at such a basic step of making a YAML-configurable CI system? This is the worst abuse of…

From what I’ve seen, the config uses dictionaries for concurrent pipelines. Sequential commands are in an array (ie hyphen prefixed). Plus it’s a bit late to hate on YAML for CI config since it’s already being used by most services, such as: - Concource - Travis - CircleCi - GitHub Actions - Gitlab - AWS CodeBuild …not to mention a crap load of other orchestration services from docker-compose to k8s to CloudFormation…

I am not hating on the whole of YAML, but the way they are misusing it in Woodpecker. None of those other services you mention are doing something this bad, e.g. relying on parts of YAML that are NOT standard (ordering of elements in a dict) and not supported by some languages/libraries.

> From what I’ve seen, the config uses dictionaries for concurrent pipelines.

You are wrong about that, see https://github.com/woodpecker-ci/woodpecker/issues/771

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by alwillis »

DoctorDabadedoo wrote: post #135
StevePerkins wrote: post #117

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To be fair, hardly anyone ever used Bitbucket due to Mercurial support. Some people probably used it because for awhile, pre-GitLab, it was the GitHub alternative with the most generous free tier for private repos. However, the overwhelming majority of users probably use it because they're already in the Atlassian ecosystem due to JIRA.

Bitbucket is like an ex girlfriend you don't quite recall why you broke up with, but afterwards every time you meet her and hear her voice it all comes back in a rush how disgusted she made you feel.

Heptapod archived 250,000 Bitbucket Mercurial repos and runs fork of GitLab that supports Mercurial: https://octobus.net/blog/2020-04-23-heptapod-and-swh.html

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by alwillis »

NexRebular wrote: post #114
Blackthorn wrote: post #34

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I no longer trust bitbucket after they shut down their mercurial support. That was the thing that differentiated them from everyone else. Why even use them now?

I wonder if there even is public mercurial hosting available anymore. This git monoculture is starting to be a bit annoying.

Heptapod supports a Mercurial hosting service (free for OSS) that’s a fork of GitLab: https://heptapod.net/

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by [deleted] »

albert180 wrote: post #49
drstewart wrote: post #37

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>Perhaps wherever you're from you draw lines differently to how we do it in Europe, with regards to what is socially and morally acceptable to say? Maybe that's why he has serious concerns? Funny how it's always valid for Europeans to have concerns about America and its differences, but when it's the other way around it's a barrage of "How dare you?!" (just look at the responses to OPs concerns).

Well if you are not worshipping Nazis or trying to push hate against minorities you shouldn't run into problems. But I'm quite sure most other services in the states wouldn't tolerate such things too

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Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by _-david-_ »

arez wrote: post #102
beardedman wrote: post #101

Nowhere else do people mention the continent as much as Europe. And, for the life of me, I don't know why this is!? And it always seems to mean "we respect your data". Let the product speak for itself, I'm not switching from something that works well to something that works okay, but respects my privacy a bit more.

It's not so mich about the continent more about the jurisdiction, europe has GDPR which seems to do an ok job. You don't have to switch to a more privacy focused service but it's good that they exist and you can see that more and more of those services are popping up, protonmail for mail, duckduckgo for search and so on

Only some places in Europe have the GDPR. The EU is not all of Europe.

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by llanowarelves »

albert180 wrote: post #49
drstewart wrote: post #37

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>Perhaps wherever you're from you draw lines differently to how we do it in Europe, with regards to what is socially and morally acceptable to say? Maybe that's why he has serious concerns? Funny how it's always valid for Europeans to have concerns about America and its differences, but when it's the other way around it's a barrage of "How dare you?!" (just look at the responses to OPs concerns).

Well if you are not worshipping Nazis or trying to push hate against minorities you shouldn't run into problems. But I'm quite sure most other services in the states wouldn't tolerate such things too

Google "Is ___ racist?" (inserting almost any term: gardening, math, science, climate change, doesnt matter) and you will always find academic and mainstream opinion-piece proof that it's racist against "minorities".

The lines are much blurrier than you are brushing off, especially now that we have post-structuralist definitions of everything. Do you trust the interpretation to be limited to obvious extreme things when people can't agree what terms like woman, inflation, recession, etc mean?

Or, think about what happens when a political party you don't like can use the same legal framework you built with good intentions in ways you probably won't like.

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