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Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by CameronNemo »

hk__2 wrote: post #93
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitLab is a nuanced situation. There is a FOSS GitLab https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-foss The hosted gitlab.com instance uses EE features so parent is correct to say that the gitlab.com site is not open source.

> The hosted gitlab.com instance uses EE features so parent is correct to say that the gitlab.com site is not open source. It’s OSS but with proprietary parts. That’s the issue with the term "open-source": their source code is indeed open [1] but it’s not 100% free (as in freedom). Edit: mmh apparently I’m mistaken; according to another commenter this is called "open-core" and not "open-source" [2]. [1]: https://gitl…

Another term you might be looking for is "source available", meaning you can read the source code but not modify or distribute it without a license.

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by _ktx2 »

bee_rider wrote: post #30
strenholme wrote: post #15

Here is a list of free Git hosting services for open source software: • https://github.com/ • https://gitlab.com/ • https://bitbucket.org/ • https://codeberg.org/ (As per the linked article) • https://sr.ht/ (Sourcehut) Codeberg and Sourcehut appear to use open source code for their web page backend; the others seem to use proprietary software (in the case of GitLab, there is a free version, but gitlab.com also uses…

I think we should emphasize that Sourcehut is just currently free while it is in alpha. Mr. DeVault been very upfront about the fact that he's planning to start charging eventually. From his FAQ, https://man.sr.ht/billing-faq.md#why-should-i-pay-when-githu... The point is to set up a responsible financial situation between himself and the users and avoid the bad incentive structures that "free" services have ("Free"…

Does SourceHut still have an aversion to Kubernetes and Docker? Last year I was trying to setup SourceHut on my home infra (which is Docker/SystemD based, but was Kubernetes based) and I was told I'd be banned if I asked about it, and that they don't support that kind of software. Super weird interaction from someone I otherwise used to admire.

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by throwup »

bee_rider wrote: post #30
strenholme wrote: post #15

Here is a list of free Git hosting services for open source software: • https://github.com/ • https://gitlab.com/ • https://bitbucket.org/ • https://codeberg.org/ (As per the linked article) • https://sr.ht/ (Sourcehut) Codeberg and Sourcehut appear to use open source code for their web page backend; the others seem to use proprietary software (in the case of GitLab, there is a free version, but gitlab.com also uses…

I think we should emphasize that Sourcehut is just currently free while it is in alpha. Mr. DeVault been very upfront about the fact that he's planning to start charging eventually. From his FAQ, https://man.sr.ht/billing-faq.md#why-should-i-pay-when-githu... The point is to set up a responsible financial situation between himself and the users and avoid the bad incentive structures that "free" services have ("Free"…

Has ddevault ever commented on how much build minutes will cost out of alpha? From their pricing page it seems like a fixed monthly cost for unlimited minutes, which doesn't seem sustainable to me.

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by tiborsaas »

newswasboring wrote: post #78

Slightly off topic, but wtf happened to sourceforge? A decade ago it was _the_ place to host open source projects. How did they lose almost all of the market share to GitHub?

User experience and design. GitHub was a fresh breath of air compared to SF at the time.

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by megous »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #45
emilengler wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why? If you have an SSH server running, you can immediately setup a git server. Just do git init —-bare, no gigantic web server overhead. https://rgz.ee/git.html

Presumably people value the UI (also, what is the "gigantic web server overhead" you're referring to?).

Ever tried to install gitlab? It's like 1GiB compressed package. lol

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by gdrift »

melony wrote: post #57
strenholme wrote: post #15

Here is a list of free Git hosting services for open source software: • https://github.com/ • https://gitlab.com/ • https://bitbucket.org/ • https://codeberg.org/ (As per the linked article) • https://sr.ht/ (Sourcehut) Codeberg and Sourcehut appear to use open source code for their web page backend; the others seem to use proprietary software (in the case of GitLab, there is a free version, but gitlab.com also uses…

If you are a fan of Java, there's OneDev https://github.com/theonedev/onedev https://code.onedev.io/projects/160

And also GitBlit

https://gitblit.github.io/gitblit/

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by aliqot »

ipaddr wrote: post #76
aliqot wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any service known for not proactively removing content will be overburdened as users from other services who submit 'complaint-generating' content will flock to your service. When people who submit these complaints don't feel like you acquiesced in their favor they will assemble and call you out. Your service will be known as a safe harbor for groups of ill repute and eventually you may be forced to shutter the servi…

Taking down content immediately based on one party making a claim is ripe to be abused. Take down the wrong person and masses will gather and call you out as well. This site has a question mark after they did this. Just based on that information I wouldn't rush to this service because someone will have an easier time shutting the project down here than elsewhere

> Taking down content immediately based on one party making a claim is ripe to be abused.

I absolutely agree, and in my opinion we already see this with DMCA.

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by jeroenhd »

brabel wrote: post #65

Shame that they don't seem to support the European Self-Sovereign Identity Framework for registration: https://essif-lab.eu/ I am really hoping that this will take off and soon all Europeans will be able to prove they have the right to get services without having to reveal their full identity... and I think this is a great framework for registration to services like this as well.

The premise looks very interesting but I can't tell if this exists or if it's a call for contributions for a broad idea. Based on the home page I'd assume this system is not net implemented, let alone functional.

Pages are either full of calls for projects or buzzwords for existing projects.

I think I've found the page containing implementation details but it all seems to be crypto/blockchain stuff. Disappointing, was hoping for something better.

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by dspillett »

_ktx2 wrote: post #122
bee_rider wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we should emphasize that Sourcehut is just currently free while it is in alpha. Mr. DeVault been very upfront about the fact that he's planning to start charging eventually. From his FAQ, https://man.sr.ht/billing-faq.md#why-should-i-pay-when-githu... The point is to set up a responsible financial situation between himself and the users and avoid the bad incentive structures that "free" services have ("Free"…

Does SourceHut still have an aversion to Kubernetes and Docker? Last year I was trying to setup SourceHut on my home infra (which is Docker/SystemD based, but was Kubernetes based) and I was told I'd be banned if I asked about it, and that they don't support that kind of software. Super weird interaction from someone I otherwise used to admire.

Some Kubernetes and Docker people get somewhat religious about it, and rather than taking “I/we don't support that and don't have any immediate plans to, but feel free to try it yourself” as a valid response will plead, nag, and otherwise try to cajole a project's maintainer's to reconsider, sometimes being irritatingly persistent and calling into question a person's overall intelligence because they don't currently want to directly support that plumbing. Such discussions can become time-consuming, tiresome, and (if really persistent in trying to convert them to the cause) difficult to just ignore.

> be banned if I asked about it

I assume this means the maintainer(s) have experienced the above a few times, and have given up trying to be more polite about it!

Don't take it personally. If you want to use a tool with that plumbing then feel free to DIY. If you make it work well, perhaps publish your process and/or images and support it for others who need/want that support.

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