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France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by mvdwoord »

Ekaros wrote: post #155
hegelstoleit wrote: post #147

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Who the fuck is buying vegan meat and being like "oh I thought this was meat"? Do we seriously need to legislate that? There's no real victim here, it's just a bunch of people who are sour or feel threatened by meat alternatives. It's ridiculous.

I would love to start product line "Beyond Vegan" with tag line of "better than vegan food" with Vegan word being very big. And then have it contain lot of meat. Entirely honest and not in any way misleading marketing. And no vegan should be able to complain.

Perfect illustration! Thanks.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by seba_dos1 »

xdennis wrote: post #33
ggm wrote: post #23

This debate won't end in a hurry. We've been arguing about what beer is since the German beer laws and before. British Sausages cause hilarity in Europe. The idea that definitionally we can state a-priori what is or is not the current meaning of a term when language itself is plastic is kind of broken because the distinction between Cows, Cattle, Beef, Veal, Bison, Oxen, Bullock and Bull, Buffalo and Bison and Cow, G…

You're conflating metaphors with obfuscation. For example, coconut milk is named so simply because it's a white liquid. It's not trying to be a replacement for milk, or trying to confuse people, it's just a metaphor. But vegan milk, sausages, etc, are all meant to be as similar to the real things as possible so as to cause confusion.

> so as to cause confusion

You got to be joking.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by oregano »

jzwinck wrote: post #151
hegelstoleit wrote: post #147

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Who the fuck is buying vegan meat and being like "oh I thought this was meat"? Do we seriously need to legislate that? There's no real victim here, it's just a bunch of people who are sour or feel threatened by meat alternatives. It's ridiculous.

Just this week I bought two tubs of vegan yogurt by mistake. They were the same shape, size and color as the milk based yogurts sitting all around them on the shelf. The only clue was the word "soya" printed at the bottom edge of the tubs in small letters. The kind of letters you'd expect to tell you something like the container size or the country the milk came from. To be fair this vegan nogurt tastes almost the sa…

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Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by morsch »

mc32 wrote: post #42

Yes, yes! This is common sense. Do not try and ride the coattails of existing products to sell a product that is the opposite of the products it's pretending to be. Be honest. It's an plant-based protein burrito it's not a damned "chik'n burrito" or "sliced cheeze". And don't get me started with the "milks". It's a freaking emulsion oat-grain emulsion, or oat beverage. What's nexy Coca-cola with a white fizzy drink,…

We already have diet coke imitating a drink that has sugar as a fundamental taste. I was going to say people aren't freaking out about that, but they probably were back when diet sodas were introduced. It's even called Coke. Vegan meat alternatives aren't "the opposite" of meat, what does that even mean?

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Post by therealdrag0 »

kcplate wrote: post #141
jryb wrote: post #7

I eat only plant-based foods and actually prefer unique names/spellings for these products. It can be worrying when an ostensibly vegan restaurant sells something that really tastes like meat and the menu says "beef" or whatever.

I don’t have a strong opinion either way, I don’t eat plant based “meat” mainly because it’s over processed and tends to be higher in carbs than I prefer in my diet. But your comment reminds me of philosophical question. If a company created a plant based meat analog that cooked, looked, and tasted just like human meat…should someone eat it? I don’t pose this to make fun of vegans or the plant based meat industry. I…

I’d eat fake human meat, why not?

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by Natsu »

markstos wrote: post #125
Natsu wrote: post #88

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They do this with eye drops, too. If you're not careful, you'll get homeopathic eye drops which are just water. And it's hard to see tiny print when your eyes are sore and they sell them in the pharmacy, next to real medicine. I'm still not sure what "apis" is, but I hesitate to put anything related to bees in my eyes, given that this is a common allergen and I'm allergic to enough things already. One can only hope t…

APIs are how computers talk to each other.

Not APIs, but apis, allegedly some bee extract.

Yeah, not something I want in my eyes.

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Post by iforgotpassword »

kelnos wrote: post #86
k8si wrote: post #53

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I imagine this was probably user error on your part. The vegan cheese is usually on the other end of the grocery store from the real cheese, and also usually says 'vegan' prominently, and also there are only like 2-3 brands that make vegan cheese (Miyoko, Daiya, maybe 1 other?). And vegans still usually have to read the ingredients to make sure. Non-vegans could probably do the same if it were that important.

Ah yes, when something is confusing, blame the user. Classic.

I've never seen anything more confusing then the two words "vegan cheese". Even after consulting with a dozen scientists I couldn't figure out what it's supposed to mean. So I bought it and surprisingly enough, I didn't end up with cheese made from milk as expected, but with cheese that was actually vegan! Could it be me? No, obviously it's somebody else's fault. Like it always is. It's never me.

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Post by [deleted] »

oregano wrote: post #164
jzwinck wrote: post #151

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Just this week I bought two tubs of vegan yogurt by mistake. They were the same shape, size and color as the milk based yogurts sitting all around them on the shelf. The only clue was the word "soya" printed at the bottom edge of the tubs in small letters. The kind of letters you'd expect to tell you something like the container size or the country the milk came from. To be fair this vegan nogurt tastes almost the sa…

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Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by jdasdf »

oregano wrote: post #164
jzwinck wrote: post #151

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Just this week I bought two tubs of vegan yogurt by mistake. They were the same shape, size and color as the milk based yogurts sitting all around them on the shelf. The only clue was the word "soya" printed at the bottom edge of the tubs in small letters. The kind of letters you'd expect to tell you something like the container size or the country the milk came from. To be fair this vegan nogurt tastes almost the sa…

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Do you genuinely not see a problem with people being deceived about what they are buying and eating?
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