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Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by rtpg »

pengaru wrote: post #130
indemnity wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in New Zealand, we’re basically letting COVID rip now. At least we were lucky enough to get to a high vaccination rate before Omicron started, it’s super infectious. I got it despite 3 vaccinations and always masking up outside with KN95. But very mild which I guess was the point. Because of the many lockdowns before, this was the strategy of the government, any more lockdowns would guarantee change of governm…

> we’re basically letting COVID rip now This is the way. Vaccinate the population as much as possible, then pursue super immunity for what's to come via exposure to this luckily less severe and highly contagious variant while the vaccines are still potent.

I don't know how people square "let everyone get it" with points about how immunity after getting it only seems to stick around for 2 months, or even less with variants!

Unless you're saying we should purposefully infect everyone at the same time. I don't have a better answer, but I don't like pretending that this will magically improve just cuz everyone gets sick once.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by peterkelly »

fbrncci wrote: post #9

I probably chose the wrong time to take time off, and travel to SEA for three weeks. Halfway expecting to land there and spend the next few months in lockdown. Wonder how HR will take it.

I live in Thailand and the situation here is much the same as many western countries. Omicron is spread widely, and people are still taking precautions (mask wearing is almost universal) but there's no lockdowns.

Traveling here is fine apart from the risks of catching COVID but that's no different to most other parts of the world. It's not like China at all.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by ChemSpider »

captainmuon wrote: post #20

But even now, given that China is such a huge country, I think that the fraction of people inconvenienced by lockdown measures and other disturbances is smaller than in most western countries. Here in Germany, they are lifting most restrictions soon, but for example a lot of teachers are sick - which affects the childrens' parents as they can't go to work, and then their colleagues, and so on. It will take a long tim…

You can not compare a China-style brutal lockdown with anything you have ever seen in a Western country.

Especially Germany never had a real lockdown - as in: You can not leave your apartment no matter what.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by ChemSpider »

throwaway4good wrote: post #160
ChemSpider wrote: post #154

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"but I believe the vaccines that China have is of the type as the AstraZeneca vaccine" Absolutely not. And that is they key problem. Personally I was quite sure that Beijing would allow Biontech sooner or later, especially since the Chinese company Fosun was a very smart early investor in BNT. But unfortunately it seems Xi's nationalism is now so strong that he is willing to let many people die for it.

Sorry. What I wrote is clearly incorrect. It should have said: Some of the vaccines that China have is of the same type as the AstraZeneca vaccine.

I don't think so. What vaccine should that be? Sinovac is certainly not.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by logifail »

zarzavat wrote: post #115
ElectronShak wrote: post #104

I greatly empathize with anyone who lost a loved one to Covid over the past two years. Sorry for your loss. However, I do think that the reason we took lockdowns as a solution is because China did the same in the first place. But I don't think we should do that again. I will speak for myself, and I have no epic reason, I am just tired of it all.

My recollection is slightly different. The west did not consider lockdowns a viable strategy until the news started to come out of Italy of the scale of the dead. China might have used lockdowns first but it was Italy that changed minds on their acceptability for western countries.

> The west did not consider lockdowns a viable strategy until the news started to come out of Italy of the scale of the dead.

I think lockdowns were driven by politicians getting pressured and then scared and wanting to "do something", even without evidence that that "something" is necessary or will be effective against the problem.

We're spent decades planning for pandemics. I have contacts who've worked in that field, yet none of them recall plans ever including the need for lockdowns. Instead they report that plans assumed schools would be forced to close due to lack of healthy staff, not due to government mandate.

Then China started welding people in their apartments...[0]

[0] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/05/how-not-to-ha...

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by rtpg »

strogonoff wrote: post #52
captainmuon wrote: post #20

But even now, given that China is such a huge country, I think that the fraction of people inconvenienced by lockdown measures and other disturbances is smaller than in most western countries. Here in Germany, they are lifting most restrictions soon, but for example a lot of teachers are sick - which affects the childrens' parents as they can't go to work, and then their colleagues, and so on. It will take a long tim…

Can we trust disease statistics coming out of a system where everybody from regular citizens to local officials is incentivized to not report possible COVID cases? There is a reason fever medication in China had been selling so well that the government wanted to control its sales (don’t know if they ended up going there or not), while the country reported almost no COVID.

What country doesn't have an incentive to lie about all of this?

I don't disagree with the conclusion that the stats are likely more controlled (if only by having more data) but you need to be precise about the incentives and the means.

In countries where things get super bad, you have massive tents outside hospitals, people dying everywhere. There are 1.3 billion people, loads of which _do_ have VPNs and ways of communicating with the outside world.

The idea that there was a secret pandemic that had a bunch of deaths in China is very hard to square with the reality that everyone has a camera and messaging apps to talk to your neighbors. Especially when it comes to life and death it seems pretty impossible to actually do this. The GFW is not magic.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by endless1234 »

grapescheesee wrote: post #159
y7 wrote: post #138

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For a booster (3rd shot), the UK only uses mRNA vaccines. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccinat... Edit: changed my ambiguous wording

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What? More than two doses is extremely common for vaccines. See e.g. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolesc...

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by grumbelbart »

grapescheesee wrote: post #159
y7 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a booster (3rd shot), the UK only uses mRNA vaccines. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccinat... Edit: changed my ambiguous wording

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Huh? Plenty of previous non-covid vaccines require more than two shots.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by throwaway4good »

ChemSpider wrote: post #164
throwaway4good wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry. What I wrote is clearly incorrect. It should have said: Some of the vaccines that China have is of the same type as the AstraZeneca vaccine.

I don't think so. What vaccine should that be? Sinovac is certainly not.

https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/2/

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by bonzini »

grapescheesee wrote: post #159
y7 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a booster (3rd shot), the UK only uses mRNA vaccines. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccinat... Edit: changed my ambiguous wording

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Infants have three or four doses for some of their vaccines.
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