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Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by UrsaMedius » Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 9:08 AM UTC

user_named wrote: post #77

strogonoff wrote: post #52

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Can we trust disease statistics coming out of a system where everybody from regular citizens to local officials is incentivized to not report possible COVID cases? There is a reason fever medication in China had been selling so well that the government wanted to control its sales (don’t know if they ended up going there or not), while the country reported almost no COVID.

Do you trust inflation stats in the country you live in?

Is there a point you're trying to make with this question or are you just being defensive?

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by VBprogrammer » Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 9:09 AM UTC

rob74 wrote: post #65

user_named wrote: post #24

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In my opinion china's policies have been the best, maybe together with New Zealand. We've basically been living as normal, much more so than any other country, except for some local cases here and there when there was a month of tightening. That's why I think it's ironic that once the virus basically becomes non-threatening, China has to enter the same type of lockdown as other countries did two years before. And tha…

The "zero Covid" approach has been doable with the "old" virus variants, but with Omicron being so infectious, it's (IMHO) simply not feasible anymore. And I wouldn't call it "non-threatening", maybe less threatening. Maybe now we are at the stage where we can really compare it with the flu and handle it with the same approach. Of course maybe another variant will appear that's as infectious as Omicron but as dangero…

It wouldn't be so bad if it was actually comparable to the Flu. We've had case numbers falling off the cliff since the end of January only for them to start trending up again at the beginning of March. This isn't remotely like the seasonal behaviour of the Flu.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by indemnity » Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 9:10 AM UTC

user_named wrote: post #24

captainmuon wrote: post #20

But even now, given that China is such a huge country, I think that the fraction of people inconvenienced by lockdown measures and other disturbances is smaller than in most western countries. Here in Germany, they are lifting most restrictions soon, but for example a lot of teachers are sick - which affects the childrens' parents as they can't go to work, and then their colleagues, and so on. It will take a long tim…

In my opinion china's policies have been the best, maybe together with New Zealand. We've basically been living as normal, much more so than any other country, except for some local cases here and there when there was a month of tightening. That's why I think it's ironic that once the virus basically becomes non-threatening, China has to enter the same type of lockdown as other countries did two years before. And tha…

I live in New Zealand, we’re basically letting COVID rip now.

At least we were lucky enough to get to a high vaccination rate before Omicron started, it’s super infectious.

I got it despite 3 vaccinations and always masking up outside with KN95. But very mild which I guess was the point.

Because of the many lockdowns before, this was the strategy of the government, any more lockdowns would guarantee change of government next election.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by user_named » Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 9:10 AM UTC

benjaminwootton wrote: post #61

user_named wrote: post #47

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Social distancing has never been a big thing in China because we've had masks for two years. It's only when for example lining up for a covid test that there's been marked one meter distances you had to pay attention to. Only anti-mask backwards countries have promoted social distancing as a measure. You sometimes check in with qr, but most of the time you just show your green health code which is a qr too, and sign…

You are betraying your preconceptions here if you think masks are the difference between success and failure and QR codes and “health codes” are an acceptable and normal way to live. That all sounds quite dystopian and of questionable value to me given what we know about Omnicron and the vaccine efficacy.

My point is about social distancing - it's convenient for incompetent leadership because it puts the onus on the population, which they then blame when caes rise, saying they haven't distanced enough. If only they'd provided masks from the start they'd fared better.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by throwaway290 » Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 9:10 AM UTC

interpenetrate wrote: post #70

imiric wrote: post #57

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And 8K deaths since 2020: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn How the WHO can report these numbers with a straight face is beyond me.

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Is Uyghur incarceration also a conspiracy theory, or does CCP lie about that but never about COVID?

Lockdown now is not exclusive with false case and death numbers.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by elric » Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 9:10 AM UTC

user_named wrote: post #84

elric wrote: post #76

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I don't necessarily disagree with that statement, but it'd be nice if you backed it up with some actual examples.

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> Did they not tell you that in Belgium?

What's up with this pointless snarkiness? You're making it sound like the machinations of an evil propaganda machine, when in reality Belgium has been quite good at overreporting covid stats. Not sure which stats you're referring to as being "some of the worst in the world".

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by vijaybritto » Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 9:11 AM UTC

bdlowery wrote: post #88

Crazy that every nation other than china has had 3 big “waves” of Covid cases. Yet somehow china has only had the initial wave of Covid back in early 2020 and nothing else until now. Very strange.

Why is handling a medical emergency properly, strange?

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by snovv_crash » Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 9:11 AM UTC

user_named wrote: post #71

em500 wrote: post #66

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Omicron is not "so mild". It appeared to be mild in many other countries due to high vaccination rates and/or prior infections/deaths. This is not the case in China, where prior infections are very rare. And although the headline stats for the initial 2-dose vaccination rates are good, they didn't use the more effective mRNA vaccines, probably don't have a high recent booster rate, and most crucially, the vaccination…

Hong Kong and mainland are totally different. Vaccination rate is very high here and you have been able to get booster shots for months. I agree with your second paragraph though.

I've heard this (and thought this myself), so many times regarding Covid - "Oh, that won't happen to us, we're different".

Whether it was China, or Italy, or South Africa.

At this point I don't think there's any way to actually stop Omicron, and we're very lucky it isn't more deadly.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by hutzlibu » Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 9:13 AM UTC

user_named wrote: post #90

hutzlibu wrote: post #85

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"In my opinion china's policies have been the best" Interesting, but could you really express any other opinion without fear of repression of some kind, while living in china?

Yes. I can say anything I like about Xi Jinping when I'm on HN. HN is blocked in China btw.

So you use a VPN/Tor and trust this connection?

Are you sure, the thought of "getting caught" does not influence your opinions?

Because I think, it would influence my opinions I would dare to share.

But I am ignorant about actual way of life in china, is it common and maybe even somewhat normal for tech people to have this freedom to just connect outside of the great firewall?

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by thematrixturtle » Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 9:13 AM UTC

fbrncci wrote: post #43

sfifs wrote: post #38

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South East Asia is pretty much opening up and treating Covid as endemic. You shouldn't have problems.

They were very much in line with opening up the past month, but the past few days calls are getting louder to do something about the rising number of infections; along with the strain on the health care systems.

"They"? It's a whole bunch of independent countries with very different COVID policies, but virtually all are moving towards opening up, not locking down.