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Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by NicoJuicy »

user_named wrote: post #24
captainmuon wrote: post #20

But even now, given that China is such a huge country, I think that the fraction of people inconvenienced by lockdown measures and other disturbances is smaller than in most western countries. Here in Germany, they are lifting most restrictions soon, but for example a lot of teachers are sick - which affects the childrens' parents as they can't go to work, and then their colleagues, and so on. It will take a long tim…

In my opinion china's policies have been the best, maybe together with New Zealand. We've basically been living as normal, much more so than any other country, except for some local cases here and there when there was a month of tightening. That's why I think it's ironic that once the virus basically becomes non-threatening, China has to enter the same type of lockdown as other countries did two years before. And tha…

New Zealand is an island, i think in many cases China is too ( not geographically )

In Europe, a lot of travel remained possible although it wasn't advised. People work with work permits could relatively easy cross countries too during lockdowns.

The worst that happened was at the start, that people had to stay within their neighborhood for a while, but that changed pretty quickly.

Currently, Omicron is no threat anymore for vaccinated people. So I'm not sure why china would go into lockdown. Vaccine underperforming?

( Belgium)

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by interpenetrate »

throwaway290 wrote: post #95
interpenetrate wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Is Uyghur incarceration also a conspiracy theory, or does CCP lie about that but never about COVID? Lockdown now is not exclusive with false case and death numbers.

That's not very fun. You're supposed to tell me a convincing story about why the lockdown is happening. Someone quickly replied to me about how the present lockdown is specifically intended to cause inflation in the U.S. Unfortunately they were too embarrassed or didn't want to face the next logical question (because conspiracy theories are never finished), so they quickly deleted the comment. But at least they tried instead of gesturing vaguely to the CCP and letting ideological obviousnesses do the heavy lifting.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by stefap2 »

imiric wrote: post #57
elric wrote: post #36

Only a thousand daily cases in a country with a population of 1G? That's either very impressive, or very impressively underreported. For comparison, Belgium currently has 10 times as many daily new cases, with a population that's 100 times smaller (and no lockdown).

And 8K deaths since 2020: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn How the WHO can report these numbers with a straight face is beyond me.

“We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying.”

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by ChemSpider »

throwaway4good wrote: post #124
petesergeant wrote: post #86

> can't quarantine and hospitalize people for omicron when it is not dangerous There are enough people it’s dangerous for, especially in a population not widely exposed to it and who haven’t had mRNA boosters, that it can cause hospitals to jam up and pictures of grandma dying on a stretcher outside a regional hospital. This is a political big deal when you’ve spent 2 years mouthing off about the decadent West’s poor…

Wrt. mRNA boosters, I know it is a common talking point that China is in trouble because it doesn't have mRNA-vaccines but I believe the vaccines that China have is of the type as the AstraZeneca vaccine, that is commonly used in the UK which now is free of COVID-restrictions. In other words; if is China is willing, it can go down the same path of vax-and-let-it-rip.

"but I believe the vaccines that China have is of the type as the AstraZeneca vaccine"

Absolutely not. And that is they key problem.

Personally I was quite sure that Beijing would allow Biontech sooner or later, especially since the Chinese company Fosun was a very smart early investor in BNT.

But unfortunately it seems Xi's nationalism is now so strong that he is willing to let many people die for it.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by throwaway4good »

petesergeant wrote: post #139
throwaway4good wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrt. mRNA boosters, I know it is a common talking point that China is in trouble because it doesn't have mRNA-vaccines but I believe the vaccines that China have is of the type as the AstraZeneca vaccine, that is commonly used in the UK which now is free of COVID-restrictions. In other words; if is China is willing, it can go down the same path of vax-and-let-it-rip.

AZ is adenovirus vector (like J&J, Sputnik), SinoVac and Sinopharm are inactivated. > if is China is willing, it can go down the same path of vax-and-let-it-rip Many many fewer Chinese have immunity from having had the virus than Brits

The one made by CanSino is adenovirus vector.

The point I am trying to make is that this is a political choice rather than a question of access to technology.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by ChemSpider »

refurb wrote: post #106
petesergeant wrote: post #86

> can't quarantine and hospitalize people for omicron when it is not dangerous There are enough people it’s dangerous for, especially in a population not widely exposed to it and who haven’t had mRNA boosters, that it can cause hospitals to jam up and pictures of grandma dying on a stretcher outside a regional hospital. This is a political big deal when you’ve spent 2 years mouthing off about the decadent West’s poor…

Indeed. I’ve been somewhat amazed at how China has handled it as of late. I get the short-term goal - stop Covid from taking hold by isolating new outbreaks. They have the manpower and the organization to isolate entire cities, do mass testing and lockdown neighborhoods. But: 1. It’s pretty clear with Omnicron the higher infectivity is making that task harder and lockdowns longer 2. The lockdowns have real economic i…

"once they realize Omicron isn’t that serious in vaccinated individuals"

Afaik Sinovac is pretty much useless against Omicron.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by NicoJuicy »

dmurray wrote: post #83
captainmuon wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it is really ironic. I've heard a story that one of the reasons Sinovac is not as effective as other vaccinations is that they didn't have enough infected people for the trials.

How would that work? They develop the vaccine first, then do the trials. And in any case the Chinese vaccines were trialed outside China (Brazil, Philippines, others - not sure about Sinovac specifically) largely for this reason.

Sinovac doesn't seem to be effective against Omicron - https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2022/02/03/sinovac-vaccine-ef...

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by jrapdx3 »

teruakohatu wrote: post #68

In New Zealand we are currently experiencing our first wave, by captia our case numbers are insane, and reality is vastly higher than what is being reported because the system now relies on self reporting from RAT tests. In an hour we have as many new cases as we had in total in the first two years of COVID. But life is going on as semi-normal, most people are being reasonably responsible. 96% of the 12 yr+ populatio…

This is very interesting. According to stats provided here [0], 77.5% of New Zealand's population are "fully vaccinated" against COVID. I think differences probably due to selected reference population, your figure is percent of eligible (>=12yo) whereas the number I found is per whole population (including those In any case 77.5% is pretty impressive, by comparison the US fully vax percent is lower at 65.2%/total population. Also NZ confirmed cases == 7.0% of population, US == 24.2%. Big difference there.

Not sure what set of factors accounts for diff in cases rate. NZ may well have done more to keep the virus from spreading. On the whole though many more questions about COVID than answers.

I'd also guess data collection and reporting practices vary a lot by region or country. Makes data hard to compare and in turn makes it hard to assess what works and what doesn't. I'm keeping a good thought better solutions will emerge.

[0] https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by grapescheesee »

y7 wrote: post #138
throwaway4good wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrt. mRNA boosters, I know it is a common talking point that China is in trouble because it doesn't have mRNA-vaccines but I believe the vaccines that China have is of the type as the AstraZeneca vaccine, that is commonly used in the UK which now is free of COVID-restrictions. In other words; if is China is willing, it can go down the same path of vax-and-let-it-rip.

For a booster (3rd shot), the UK only uses mRNA vaccines. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccinat... Edit: changed my ambiguous wording

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Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by throwaway4good »

ChemSpider wrote: post #154
throwaway4good wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrt. mRNA boosters, I know it is a common talking point that China is in trouble because it doesn't have mRNA-vaccines but I believe the vaccines that China have is of the type as the AstraZeneca vaccine, that is commonly used in the UK which now is free of COVID-restrictions. In other words; if is China is willing, it can go down the same path of vax-and-let-it-rip.

"but I believe the vaccines that China have is of the type as the AstraZeneca vaccine" Absolutely not. And that is they key problem. Personally I was quite sure that Beijing would allow Biontech sooner or later, especially since the Chinese company Fosun was a very smart early investor in BNT. But unfortunately it seems Xi's nationalism is now so strong that he is willing to let many people die for it.

Sorry. What I wrote is clearly incorrect.

It should have said:

Some of the vaccines that China have is of the same type as the AstraZeneca vaccine.

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