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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by Indomit »

owlbynight wrote: post #158
vips7L wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because there is precedent doesn’t mean it’s not overreach.

It would be overreach were our country's stability not being undermined by large pockets of selfish lemmings that clearly cannot apply logic and critical thinking to their decision making. I don't want to pay even more for everything in my life due to inflation caused by social parachutes because some toothless hillbillies in the South my taxes are ALREADY propping up don't understand their insecurity is being moneti…

How'd you arrive at that being the key demographic for the unvaccinated?

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Post by paulcole »

captainredbeard wrote: post #11

Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? Preventing spread to other people is the only plausible reason to force everyone to take it. I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it (the numbers are vastly on my side). I do far riskier things on a regular basis (extreme sports) and I do not understand the infantilization of society. Join the feedlot if you want but I wi…

If you’re not scared of dying of the virus, why not just get the vaccine? Surely you’re less scared of a vaccine than dying since the numbers are vastly on your side?

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Post by BoHerfIIIJrEsq »

dgellow wrote: post #110
captainredbeard wrote: post #11

Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? Preventing spread to other people is the only plausible reason to force everyone to take it. I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it (the numbers are vastly on my side). I do far riskier things on a regular basis (extreme sports) and I do not understand the infantilization of society. Join the feedlot if you want but I wi…

Because the only thing that really matters is that the health system survives. It has never been about individuals. It’s not about you. Vaccines protect from hospitalization, reducing the massive stress forced upon hospitals and health professionals. When a hospital has to deal with a large influx of Covid patients they have to dedicate a lot of their resources (mostly humans), which eventually causes a complete bott…

> Because the only thing that really matters is that the health system survives. It has never been about individuals.

This is a confession of the most profound confusion. It's a complete reversal from the truth. We're killing people in order to save hospitals. The real pandemic is simply one of insanity.

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Post by jansan »

matwood wrote: post #148
jansan wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this were the case, shouldn't Israel have fewer cases now? No other country has more infections per million than Israel, with a vaccination rate much higher than the US.

Israel's overall vaccination rate is actually not that high. They were first out the gate, but tapered. They have also found the recent spike in cases to be focused in areas with low vaccination rates [1]. With the delta variant every unvaccinated person will likely end up becoming infected at some point. These unvaccinated pockets are where the large spikes are coming from, especially for severe disease. https://thr…

Again, they recently had (or still have) the highest case per million rate in the world! Compare this to Palestine, with a vaccination rate of about 10% and roughly 1/40 of the cases per million. You could argue that Palestine is one big pocket of unvaccinated people. Why are the cases so much lower? And how would the situation in Israel be without vaccines? Worse than now or the same as in Palestine?

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Post by david_allison »

dmitrygr wrote: post #3

> OSHA will issue an Emergency Temporary > Standard (ETS) to implement this requirement Is this "temporary" in the same way that the PATRIOT act and our invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 were "temporary"? Well, I guess one should never let a good crisis go to waste...

> PATRIOT act

Not sure if you're aware, but it expired in 2020

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Post by TheJoeMan »

whatthesmack wrote: post #138
Filligree wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. Vaccine mandates date back to George Washington, if you look at it the right way.

Isn't this very different, though? Historically, mandated vaccines weren't mandated before we knew they were safe longer-term. We're still awaiting FDA approval for a majority of the available SARS-CoV-2 vaccines in the US, yet many folks would be mandated to receive one. Many folks will see this as being mandated to be a test subject, which is why there has been substantial legal pushback against the mandate less th…

Always interesting to ask “who would benefit from this most” and that would be………… Pfizer! Their competitors can’t sell vaccines if they’re too late!

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Post by the-dude »

NetOpWibby wrote: post #137
anonymouse008 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe slightly off topic, but it’s always been odd to me how life insurance tests with vigor for tobacco use but lack that enthusiasm for metabolic health / diet.

#America

What makes you think it is different in other countries?

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Post by dooglius »

> or require any workers who remain unvaccinated to produce a negative test result on at least a weekly basis before coming to work

So is this a no-op for people who work from home exclusively? that seems like a pretty major thing to just gloss over

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Post by ljm »

xupybd wrote: post #85

I'm one shot in but think this is a huge government overreach to require this from businesses.

I'm not in the US so I can't speak for y'all, but the regulation isn't a bad thing.

While you might not be affected personally, because you've been successful, it's better for the government to have your back than it is to entrust it to the free market. There's a hell of a lot of misery because the gov. doesn't step in enough, doesn't take care of its citizens.

This was learned the hard way in 1929 and, for whatever reason, was quickly forgotten.

That said, I can see why it's undesirable to some.

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Post by tomrod »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #131
tibbydudeza wrote: post #120

Our largest healthcare provider has already mandated vaccines for their staff and insurance companies are now following suit because they got hammered with life insurance payouts for 2020 and first half of 2021. Waiting for retailers to announce this as well at some point.

Maybe slightly off topic, but it’s always been odd to me how life insurance tests with vigor for tobacco use but lack that enthusiasm for metabolic health / diet.

You can control your tobacco use. That is why Pigovian taxation is effective.
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