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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by zpeti »

huffmsa wrote: post #90
probably_wrong wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? (...) I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it Became it's not about you , it's about everyone around you as a group. Those who are "comfortable catching the disease" are taking up a non-insignificant portion of available hospital beds, for instance, keeping health workers at their limit and preventing other people from…

Citizen, our records indicate you ate more than your mandate controlled 100g of chocolate and only ran 2.95mi of your mandatory 3mi on our freely available sidewalks. Your employment has been terminated. You many apply for unemployment benefits after our records show compliance. Combating obesity is for the good of society.

I remember having a beer at night with an Apple employee who halfway through started walking around the table. Apparently his smart watch was telling him his group of 5 people were under their target miles for the day and he had to walk a mile right now to have his daily quote done. He didn’t want to disappoint his fellow staff. Including his boss I think.

Not quite what you posted but it certainty is similar.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by jansan »

tfehring wrote: post #27
captainredbeard wrote: post #11

Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? Preventing spread to other people is the only plausible reason to force everyone to take it. I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it (the numbers are vastly on my side). I do far riskier things on a regular basis (extreme sports) and I do not understand the infantilization of society. Join the feedlot if you want but I wi…

I think “prevent” is too imprecise a term here. The vaccines don’t eliminate the risk of spreading the virus to others. They do materially reduce the risk of spreading the virus to others.

If this were the case, shouldn't Israel have fewer cases now? No other country has more infections per million than Israel, with a vaccination rate much higher than the US.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by maxerickson »

resoluteteeth wrote: post #115
walterbell wrote: post #2

Is the federal government going to provide employers with the same legal immunity granted to pharmaceutical vendors via the PREP act? Does this mandate incorporate the Sept 2021 CDC definition of vaccine, https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article25... > Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.”…

Do the employers need this if they are just requiring vaccination but not actually administering the vaccine themselves?

Yes, the other poster hasn't laid out what liability they think employers face from this government mandate.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by dane-pgp »

FpUser wrote: post #91
lalaland1125 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue that if you are acting with the sole purpose to oppose other people, you aren't really making your own decisions. Blind opposition is just as silly as blindly following the flow.

>"Blind opposition is just as silly as blindly following the flow" I think opposition to being pressured regardless of the reasons is quite normal and healthy behavior because in most of the life situations people are being pressured into something that benefits somebody else.

An act which benefits someone else isn't necessarily a bad thing, right?

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by vips7L »

Filligree wrote: post #92
xupybd wrote: post #85

I'm one shot in but think this is a huge government overreach to require this from businesses.

Not at all. Vaccine mandates date back to George Washington, if you look at it the right way.

Just because there is precedent doesn’t mean it’s not overreach.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by OldTimeCoffee »

unyttigfjelltol wrote: post #89
probably_wrong wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? (...) I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it Became it's not about you , it's about everyone around you as a group. Those who are "comfortable catching the disease" are taking up a non-insignificant portion of available hospital beds, for instance, keeping health workers at their limit and preventing other people from…

This reasoning also would justify mandatory colonoscopies, or requiring a 3 mile daily run, for 100 million people. Yes, that might reduce the load on the health care system long term (except the colonoscopy & PT departments ...), but historically in the U.S. that would have been viewed as a galactic overreach.

None of those are protecting against infectious diseases.

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Post by tehwebguy »

captainredbeard wrote: post #25
toomuchtodo wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

False equivalency. The vaccine costs nothing, has insignificant statistical risk, and people are still refusing it. That bed or ventilator can go to someone responsible. If someone chooses not to be vaccinated, they are choosing to die at home.

"Avoiding risky sex costs nothing, has insignificant statistical risk, and they are refusing it. That medical treatment could go to someone responsible. Choose not to have safe sex, choose to die at home."

Do you think our ICU beds are overflowing with STD patients

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Post by kiba »

Filligree wrote: post #92
xupybd wrote: post #85

I'm one shot in but think this is a huge government overreach to require this from businesses.

Not at all. Vaccine mandates date back to George Washington, if you look at it the right way.

George Washington carried out an inoculation campaign against the wishes of the continental congress.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by NDizzle »

Biden: Monoclonal antibodies have been shown to reduce hospitalization of UNVACCINATED covid patients by 70%

Also Biden, in the same speech: We're gonna force everyone we can get away with forcing to take a shot still under emergency use authorization that is only supposed to be valid if there is NO other viable treatment.

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