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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by lalaland1125 »

captainredbeard wrote: post #37
eutropia wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I understand the principle here of refusing the vaccine (which does reduce spread, though doesn't make it impossible). If your employer paid you to come in early or stay late to get the vaccine -- why refuse?

> If your employer paid you to come in early or stay late to get the vaccine -- why refuse? Because I make my own decisions and my willingness to do something is inversely proportional to how hard it is being pushed on me.

I would argue that if you are acting with the sole purpose to oppose other people, you aren't really making your own decisions.

Blind opposition is just as silly as blindly following the flow.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by version_five »

dmitrygr wrote: post #3

> OSHA will issue an Emergency Temporary > Standard (ETS) to implement this requirement Is this "temporary" in the same way that the PATRIOT act and our invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 were "temporary"? Well, I guess one should never let a good crisis go to waste...

There is going to be a massive enforcement bureaucracy set up. Unwinding that will be nontrivial. Once people's budgets and fiefdoms at work depend on it, they will fight to keep or grow their power. This will be around in some form for a very long time.

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Post by adamrezich »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #55
hoten wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems they filled the position as recently as 7 months ago.

Right, but there was a source of knowledge (the two older employees) to obtain information from. If one of those older employees is irreplaceable, and they leave, it's going to seriously impact production systems.

exactly.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by nanis »

asquabventured wrote: post #13

I refuse to comply with this over reach and I’m fully vaccinated

> I’m fully vaccinated

Temporarily. I am assuming you had your second shot more than two weeks ago. Soon, the definition of "fully vaccinated" will change to require the third shot and you will be counted among the unvaccinated as it is currently done for people with a single shot or less than two weeks past their second shot when it comes to death/hospitalization stats.

We are close to living in Arcadia[1].

[1]: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4377942/

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by loonster »

jimmygrapes wrote: post #50
dmitrygr wrote: post #3

> OSHA will issue an Emergency Temporary > Standard (ETS) to implement this requirement Is this "temporary" in the same way that the PATRIOT act and our invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 were "temporary"? Well, I guess one should never let a good crisis go to waste...

My concern is why OSHA has not issued emergency mandatory ventilation and air circulation orders, since that's actually within their wheelhouse vs this extension into medical demands which until now had been limited strongly to vague recommendations and couched in informed consent language (e.g. Hepatitis awareness)

Yes, or mandating sinks be installed in the entry of buildings.

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Post by dragonwriter »

walterbell wrote: post #2

Is the federal government going to provide employers with the same legal immunity granted to pharmaceutical vendors via the PREP act? Does this mandate incorporate the Sept 2021 CDC definition of vaccine, https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article25... > Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.”…

> Is the federal government going to provide employers with the same legal immunity granted to pharmaceutical vendors via the PREP act

They already did for COVID countermeasures in general. In the first declaration that did that for pharmaceutical companies, public entities managing countermeasure planning and distribution, and others in March of last year.

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Post by phendrenad2 »

walterbell wrote: post #32
tfehring wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think “prevent” is too imprecise a term here. The vaccines don’t eliminate the risk of spreading the virus to others. They do materially reduce the risk of spreading the virus to others.

They increase the risk of asymptomatic transmission, because vaccines suppress the symptoms of infection, which would otherwise signal the infected person to quarantine. The CDC says this can be addressed by regular testing of the vaccinated, https://archive.is/PW9SP > The agency now advises that vaccinated people be tested for the virus if they come into contact with someone with Covid-19, even if they have no sympt…

They increase the risk of asymptotic transmission, but decrease the risk of transmission overall.

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Post by [deleted] »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #68
walterbell wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They increase the risk of asymptomatic transmission, because vaccines suppress the symptoms of infection, which would otherwise signal the infected person to quarantine. The CDC says this can be addressed by regular testing of the vaccinated, https://archive.is/PW9SP > The agency now advises that vaccinated people be tested for the virus if they come into contact with someone with Covid-19, even if they have no sympt…

They increase the risk of asymptotic transmission, but decrease the risk of transmission overall.

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by walterbell »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #68
walterbell wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They increase the risk of asymptomatic transmission, because vaccines suppress the symptoms of infection, which would otherwise signal the infected person to quarantine. The CDC says this can be addressed by regular testing of the vaccinated, https://archive.is/PW9SP > The agency now advises that vaccinated people be tested for the virus if they come into contact with someone with Covid-19, even if they have no sympt…

They increase the risk of asymptotic transmission, but decrease the risk of transmission overall.

How do you reach that conclusion?
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