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Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by murkt »

novaRom wrote: post #155
murkt wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The travel pass is a horrible idea, that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. Good. It’s not like a concentration camp. There are other options if you don’t want to vaccinate. You can just stay at home (I’ve been declined Schengen visa in the past for no reason), you can get PCR-tested. You also can get ill with Covid and then recover (hopefully).

Do labs store collected DNA results of PCR? I wonder if a database of DNA of millions of people will emerge on black market one day.

Covid PCR tests check for specific viral RNA. They’re not sequencing human DNA.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by rriepe »

tuwtuwtuwtuw wrote: post #104
joemi wrote: post #38

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It's not trivially discoverable if you don't know the best terminology to search for.

The question was about "SARS-CoV-1". I went to Google and typed SARS-CoV-1. Since I wanted to know about immunity I typed the letters "imm" and the first suggestion was "SARS-CoV-1 immunity duration". I clicked these and was immediately shown link to studies showing the very long duration. This is trivially discoverable. Claiming that finding this information was not trivial appear dinhonest to me.

Most people don't look for information. They just wait to be told it.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by _ph_ »

novaRom wrote: post #155
murkt wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The travel pass is a horrible idea, that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. Good. It’s not like a concentration camp. There are other options if you don’t want to vaccinate. You can just stay at home (I’ve been declined Schengen visa in the past for no reason), you can get PCR-tested. You also can get ill with Covid and then recover (hopefully).

Do labs store collected DNA results of PCR? I wonder if a database of DNA of millions of people will emerge on black market one day.

PCR tests don't analyze your DNA. They are only testing for the presence of some characteristic virus DNA segments. Other than showing your infection status, no information is obtained and consequently cannot be stored.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by lazyjones »

stormbrew wrote: post #149
chrisco255 wrote: post #128

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Liberty. It's a terrible a precedent to restrict freedom of movement on a forced personal health decision. It's basically subverting your body to the state.

The precedent has been set for a long time now already, and it likely saves a lot of lives. https://www.who.int/ith/2016-ith-county-list.pdf This isn't rocket science. I don't know where people get this idea that international travel was some kind of libertarian utopia before covid. There are a lot of things that restrict your ability to travel, and vaccinations are one of the least problematic.

> international travel was some kind of libertarian utopia before covid. There are a lot of things that restrict your ability to travel, and vaccinations are one of the least problematic.

You are obviously not referring to the EU, where, within Schengen, international travel was a libertarian utopia and one of the main reasons this bureaucratic construct had so many supporters despite the downsides.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by aww_dang »

murkt wrote: post #161
novaRom wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do labs store collected DNA results of PCR? I wonder if a database of DNA of millions of people will emerge on black market one day.

Covid PCR tests check for specific viral RNA. They’re not sequencing human DNA.

The potential exists for DNA harvesting. Dismissing it as impossible seems inaccurate.

>(CBS) — The largest biotech firm in the world wasted no time in offering to build and run COVID testing labs in Washington, contacting its governor right after the first major COVID outbreak in the U.S. occurred there. The Chinese company, the BGI Group, made the same offer to at least five other states, including New York and California, 60 Minutes has learned. This, along with other COVID testing offers by BGI, so worried Bill Evanina, then the country’s top counterintelligence officer, that he authorized a rare public warning. “Foreign powers can collect, store and exploit biometric information from COVID tests” declared the notice. Evanina believes the Chinese are trying to collect Americans’ DNA to win a race to control the world’s biodata.

https://www.klfy.com/national/u-s-intelligence-officials-say...

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/bill-gates-china-23m...

>China's push to control Americans' health care future: U.S. officials say the Chinese government is trying to collect Americans' DNA, and they believe a recent offer from a Chinese company for assistance in COVID-19 testing was suspicious. Jon Wertheim reports.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biodata-dna-china-collection-60...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/02/china-bgi...

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by [deleted] »

dagenix wrote: post #156
T-hawk wrote: post #154

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It's not deadly to the vaccinated. That's the whole point of the vaccines. Or are you arguing that the vaccines don't work?

Vaccines work - but they are not 100% effective. If an unvaccinated, COVID positive person comes in close contact with 100 people that are vaccinated, a number of them will get sick. Way less than had they not been vaccinated. But way more than is acceptable.

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Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by lbeltrame »

hackerbabz wrote: post #101

What’s the current understanding of the astronomical infection rate in Manaus, Brazil? Awhile ago scientists were worried it was due to reinfection. https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(21)00183-5/full...

That's likely because the immunity in Manaus was highly overestimated [1].

[1] https://twitter.com/WesPegden/status/1336801382955933697

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by cigaser »

Cederfjard wrote: post #139
sharken wrote: post #122

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Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. The travel pass is a horrible idea, that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. That should not be the european way.

> Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. > ... that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. Yup, that’s the point. No man is an island. You already can’t walk around doing literally whatever you want just because it’s your body you’re doing it with. You depend on other people, and other people depend on you (or at least can’t avoid intermingling with you, es…

That is not how it works. Most people can not get vaccinated right now, even if they would want. And frankly nobody cares at this point.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by garmaine »

azinman2 wrote: post #125
sharken wrote: post #122

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Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. The travel pass is a horrible idea, that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. That should not be the european way.

Why not require vaccination?

Some people cannot get vaccinated.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by pmiller2 »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #15

This was completely expected, since this is the case with the other coronaviruses. People that contracted SARS-CoV-1 still have a strong immune response almost 20 years later.

Except that's not true. There are 4 endemic coronaviruses already that cause the common cold, and we can most definitely get reinfected with them: https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/common-cold-coron...
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