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Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by LegitShady »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #50
baggy_trough wrote: post #27

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I think the issue is that people like me aren't interested in any sort of filtering or curation from Twitter, Facebook, etc. We simply want to see what the people we follow have to say, in linear time order. That was the initial premise of these sites, and it's unfortunate that it is becoming more editorial in nature.

This is a good point, and often overlooked. A helluva lot of people joined these networks and got captured by the network effect because we were told or believed that they were open sites, just like the rest of the net. If content (or types of content) came along that folks didn't want? Nerds like us would make and give away (or sell) tools for getting rid of that garbage. In a big way, what we're going through right…

You didn't make the legal claim, but Clarence thomas has started going down that path in the recent Malwarebytes judgement

https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/101320zor_8m...

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by ardy42 »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #127
gabereiser wrote: post #61

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Journalistic integrity means vetting sources of “news”, especially in this day in age when so many videos are just clips out of context. I completely agree with Twitter keeping NY Post account disabled. Until they can prove to be a real news source, they are tabloid fake news. The fact they they will publish articles other news sites won’t means not that they are “The Rogue News Organization in a sea of Liberal Media…

Twitter shouldn't decide for me what I may or may not read.

> Twitter shouldn't decide for me what I may or may not read.

Of course, but Twitter doesn't do that and never has. You are still very able to read what the New York Post writes by typing https://nypost.com/ into your browser, and Twitter's not going to stop you from doing that.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by [deleted] »

knowaveragejoe wrote: post #119
free_rms wrote: post #76

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More like mandated. But, I repeat, what happens when it's "our side" in power? Would leaks about malfeasance under his administration be "improperly sourced information"?

If it seems like it's mandated, but it's not, then it's because a lot of people disagree(strongly) with the guy.

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by cycrutchfield »

cjjuice wrote: post #142
cycrutchfield wrote: post #125

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If social media companies don't want to be used as transmission vectors of obvious foreign political influence, then they don't have to be. Just like if they don't want to be used as transmission vectors of pornography or any other type of content, then they don't have to be. In both cases it requires setting some sort of content standard and making decisions about whether the content meets that standard.

If it is truly foreign influence, then it is on the FBI/DoJ to do the investigation and publicly declare it as such and order it to be taken down. Social Media companies are not equipped to make that distinction and should not do so.

"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes"

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by eznzt »

mikeyouse wrote: post #139
OliverGilan wrote: post #105

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How do they delete the tweet if they're locked out of the account?

There's a separate flow where they've sent the NYPost an email detailing why their account has been suspended with a link to the Tweet in question and a link saying "Delete this Tweet". As soon as they delete it, their account will be reinstated. They've chosen not to delete for either "moral" reasons or "moral outrage" reasons, but the ball is in their court.

Don't think the "the ball is in their court" thing applies when you don't really have a choice.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by lr4444lr »

dimgl wrote: post #48
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

> The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven Implying that every other major MSM organization doesn't do the same exact garbage and aren't deserving of the same treatment. Edit: the point is that rules should not favor one MSM corporation over the other. It should be neutral.

You should check out the NYTimes' coverage of every rumor in Sarah Palin's family right after she was picked as the VP running mate in 2008.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by dragonwriter »

olivermarks wrote: post #87
tomp wrote: post #64

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> The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. Interesting... after reading this, I immediately thought: same as Zero Hedge (also often criticised). But then again, that shouldn't be a surprise - b…

Yikes - I've found Zerohedge to be scarily accurate over time! Depends on your political allegiances I suppose but my mother taught me when i was kid to always read the financial press - 'follow the money to find out what the b@stards are thinking' was her old line. (she used to work for the UK tory party in the '50's, despised them). ZH is what many city of London and wall street minions read live on their bloomberg…

> Separately I view Twitter as breaking section 230 free speech regulatory agreements in meddling with what they 'publish'

Section 230 was overtly adopted so that platforms would make efforts to censor content that they found to be objectionable; there are no "free speech regulatory agreements" associated with it.

It is the only surviving part of a law whose sole and entire purpose was internet censorship, the rest of which was struck down for violating Free Speech protections.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by olivermarks »

keiferski wrote: post #144
bigbubba wrote: post #124

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ZH proudly flaunts their bearish bias. The name Zero Hedge really says it all. Their motto, 'On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everybody drops to zero' , makes this explicit.

That's a quote from Fight Club and more of a joke than anything, IIRC.

Most of the articles are written by 'Tyler Durden', part of the 'fight club' philosophy joke.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by munk-a »

cjjuice wrote: post #101
quacked wrote: post #6

The Post publishes a lot of disreputable trash that's outright false or unproven, but more and more often, it seems that they release primary sources of information (especially videos) much earlier than other news outlets will, if the other news outlets do so at all. There have been multiple times when I've seen an insane video of something happening spreading around Twitter or WorldStar or some other "raw video" agg…

It should not be the job of the social media companies to be judge and jury for truth. Let the people decide for themselves what is true and false. Basically the social media company argument is... we think people are too dumb to figure out what is "real" or not so we are going to censor. That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. But then, everywhere on the platform.. "make a plan to vote". So you…

The "common person" is honestly pretty depressing. The common person primarily votes based solely on a historical allegiance to a political party (be it individually formed or inherited) with about 75% of America essentially being unmovable D or R safe votes.

Censorship is a hard question and I think we do need to have better laws promoting free access to material (even "libelous" material) but this is also an area where I think it's pretty clear the government has failed in a big way - twitter + FB shouldn't be news platforms, the dumb news aggregators (like google news) do a pretty good job of being dumb platforms, but those commentary platforms are being run by private entities that can "censor" speech as they like depending on how it benefits or harms their platform. America is in a bit of a crisis right now since the extreme partisan divide has driven the real media (print, TV) to actually split into mutually disproving and incompatible bubbles. On election night one half of the country is going to be absolutely astounded since everything they consumed said their candidate was going to win.

I'm not certain what the solution is but some moderation is required to prevent the apparent acceptance of some pretty hateful views along with conspiracy theories. The Internet introduced clickbait to the world in a manner it never previously conceived of - tabloids have been around for ever but never gotten serious consideration - suddenly major political figures are embracing and re-packaging tabloid headlines and it's a bit of a crisis of information for our society.

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