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Kinda like when you buy a used car at auction, but it turns out it was stolen.
Except the auction house is next door to a well known car thief's garage, the news is full of stories about a string of car thefts, and someone tells you those cars are probably stolen making it crime to buy.
Authorities say Hobby Lobby's Gilgamesh tablet is stolen, must go back to Iraq
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Re: Authorities say Hobby Lobby's Gilgamesh tablet is stolen, must go back to Iraq
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
gee, who would have thought that a super rare artifact well known for being in a specific museum in a specific country ravaged by war and all of a sudden showing up at auction would be stolen. They must have done a hell of a job with their due diligence.
compared to the 99% of the rest of museums in dc, which are publicly funded, the Bible museum was private and needed to show return on investment which was covid interuppted, especially after it just opened and took over newseum real estate (capital prime).
Re: Authorities say Hobby Lobby's Gilgamesh tablet is stolen, must go back to Iraq
#163NYTimes: "In a lawsuit filed on Tuesday, Hobby Lobby accused the auction house Christie’s of “deceitful and fraudulent conduct” in connection with an ancient tablet bearing a fragment of Gilgamesh. The suit claims “fraud and breach of express and implied warrant” in connection with the tablet, and seeks the return of what it paid for the tablet. In a statement on Tuesday, Christie’s said the lawsuit was related to an…
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The Government was stable, until the US of A decided to bless them with freedom and democracy. The Iraqi dictatorship was not stable at all. There were constant purges, murders, by Saddam Hussein's regime. That occurred the entire time Saddam was in power. Please explain how that's a stable situation. The fact that Saddam had to constantly murder members of his own government, demonstrates beyond doubt that it was…
You seem to be confusing dictatorship with instability. On your criterion Russia and Turkey would also be classified as unstable, which they do not seem to be. And off course, stability is relative. Compared to the current state of affairs, Iraqi government 20 years back was far more stable.
But I think I'm with Danny Hillis, anything buried and forgotten is safer than anything in a museum.
Re: Authorities say Hobby Lobby's Gilgamesh tablet is stolen, must go back to Iraq
#165NYTimes: "In a lawsuit filed on Tuesday, Hobby Lobby accused the auction house Christie’s of “deceitful and fraudulent conduct” in connection with an ancient tablet bearing a fragment of Gilgamesh. The suit claims “fraud and breach of express and implied warrant” in connection with the tablet, and seeks the return of what it paid for the tablet. In a statement on Tuesday, Christie’s said the lawsuit was related to an…
1. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/nyregion/hobby-lobby-arti...
Re: Authorities say Hobby Lobby's Gilgamesh tablet is stolen, must go back to Iraq
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
The destruction of Baghdad itself, including the House of Wisdom (large library), by the Mongols in 1258 is probably a more apt comparison. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wisdom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_(1258)
What a tragedy. Most westerners don't realize that when Europeans were living in mud huts and emptying their chamber pots into the streets, the Muslim world had plumbing, water filtration, surgery, advanced mathematics, and many more amazing scientific advances which quickly spread throughout Muslim countries due to the cultural exchange at Mecca. I wonder what the world could have been like if the Mongols had never…
Modern Bagdad https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y2BD66C-W58
I dont find any descriptions of specific surgeries here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine_in_the_medieval_Isl...
Re: Authorities say Hobby Lobby's Gilgamesh tablet is stolen, must go back to Iraq
#167> Hobby Lobby bought the tablet in a private sale, after a Hobby Lobby representative viewed the tablet in London. The auction house shipped the tablet to its New York office and, from there, hand-carried it to Hobby Lobby's headquarters in Oklahoma City, "so that Hobby Lobby could avoid incurring a New York sales tax," according to prosecutors. Oy vey. I don't know how serious this is but it's not a great look. Is t…
This to me is the most egregious part: > [...] authorities said it bought thousands of artifacts that had been smuggled out of Iraq. Some of the items on display at the Museum of the Bible had been looted from previously unknown archaeological sites. Breathtakingly unethical.
Re: Authorities say Hobby Lobby's Gilgamesh tablet is stolen, must go back to Iraq
#168NYTimes: "In a lawsuit filed on Tuesday, Hobby Lobby accused the auction house Christie’s of “deceitful and fraudulent conduct” in connection with an ancient tablet bearing a fragment of Gilgamesh. The suit claims “fraud and breach of express and implied warrant” in connection with the tablet, and seeks the return of what it paid for the tablet. In a statement on Tuesday, Christie’s said the lawsuit was related to an…
Re: Authorities say Hobby Lobby's Gilgamesh tablet is stolen, must go back to Iraq
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except the auction house is next door to a well known car thief's garage, the news is full of stories about a string of car thefts, and someone tells you those cars are probably stolen making it crime to buy.
Such is not the reputation of Christie's.
Or if Hobby Lobby hadn't publicly accepted that these actions were illegal.
Re: Authorities say Hobby Lobby's Gilgamesh tablet is stolen, must go back to Iraq
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
The destruction of Baghdad itself, including the House of Wisdom (large library), by the Mongols in 1258 is probably a more apt comparison. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wisdom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_(1258)
What a tragedy. Most westerners don't realize that when Europeans were living in mud huts and emptying their chamber pots into the streets, the Muslim world had plumbing, water filtration, surgery, advanced mathematics, and many more amazing scientific advances which quickly spread throughout Muslim countries due to the cultural exchange at Mecca. I wonder what the world could have been like if the Mongols had never…