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Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by catalogia » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 4:13 AM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #129

CalChris wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were actually two A-12s. The Lockheed A12 was introduced in 1967 and retired in 1968. The McDonnell Douglass A12 was never built and finally cancelled in 1991. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_A-12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_A-12_Avenger... The SR71 succeeded the Lockheed A12. It was hard to keep secret. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird https://nationalinterest.o…

> There were actually two A-12s. The Lockheed A12 I bet this was made on purpose. USA has learned some tricks from Soviets with their "fake patterns" F-117 wasn't a fighter, and A-12 was not a CAS aircraft. Pretty much like Kirov was not really an "auxiliary craft," and Tu-22 M-1-2-3 were all nearly completely different aircraft

Tanks are so named because during WWI, the British decided to conceal their true purpose by calling them 'water carriers.' 'W.C.' was deemed an inappropriate initialism though, so the name was changed to 'tank' as in "a tank of water."

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by TearsInTheRain » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 4:21 AM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #70

I think if we ever see an alien, he will either fly to us in a completely enormous nuclear rocket which we will spot years before his arrival and deceleration. This is in the case if there is really no other way to traverse stars besides conventional rocketry. But in case if there is a way to trick any of the fundamental physics we know after all, then very likely the guy will come right at our porch, and they've pro…

>I think if we ever see an alien, he will either fly to us in a completely enormous nuclear rocket which we will spot years before his arrival and deceleration .

We have a tough time detecting asteroids until they've already flown by, I have a hard time believing we would spot a ship years in advance

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by teslatelsa » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 4:24 AM UTC

CommieBobDole wrote: post #28

As much as I want to believe, I feel like this almost has to be some sort of disinformation campaign, either to cover up some sort of testing that the US military is doing and thinks someone else might have seen, or to make US adversaries think that we've made some sort of fundamental breakthrough and we're ineptly trying to cover it up by calling it a UFO. Probably the latter. Would be interesting to read the articl…

bingo. another disinfo campaign. intelligent aliens are just another made up bullshit story to distract people from other more important storeis and justify huge ass budget increases that go on for multiple decades.

there are more than enough idiots and suckers to persuade. this is the problem with democrazy. it's just one method for securing good leadership and it often can be systemically hacked. one way is to dumb down the population and feeed them nonsense. it works.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by jijji » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 4:49 AM UTC

joshuaheard wrote: post #55

jijji wrote: post #49

last week a story came out quoting an air force general saying that "technology exists that could transport a human anywhere on earth within an hour" [0]... [0] https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31445/recently-retired...

I think he was referring to the new NASA supersonic plane, and meant "hours", not "hour". https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-s-x-59-quiet-superso...

maybe... but the video of him speaking [0] (at the 12:00 minute mark) is unambiguous with his words -- "less than an hour" was his actual quote, and there is no mention about any specific plane or technology.

[0] https://youtu.be/KsPLmb6gAdw

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by supercheetah » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 4:51 AM UTC

all2 wrote: post #117

nradov wrote: post #88

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Any potential adversaries are smart enough to realize that if the US military had really invented a fundamental breakthrough they wouldn't be spending a fortune on the B-21 program.

This kind of thing is highly compartmentalized. The decision makers for the budget of the B-21 program probably aren't cleared to know about a program developing an engine that ignores inertia.

Maybe. Just plain politics is more likely. Decommissioning projects like this very likely touches upon various politicians' pork projects who don't want those to go away. The military brass tried to stop the production of the M1A1 once because they had better tanks, and wanted to buy those instead, but Congress didn't because too many of their districts relied on its production.

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by egfx » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 5:18 AM UTC

egfx wrote: post #152

jameslk wrote: post #103

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Wasn't it captured on radar? That should eliminate this possibility

Yes, you can detect projections via radar. This projections aspect was also my thought on this for a while and I did some research on it. I’ll append the link to the paper later. Another thing that comes to mind is there was a post here recently that talked about concentrated laser beams technology which looks interesting to consider. Probably the easiest way to explain the erratic behavior.

Here is the source: https://books.google.com/books?id=AZoSALzL3V4C

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by basch » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 5:24 AM UTC

PopeRigby wrote: post #160

natalyarostova wrote: post #155

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While this is probably wrong, it’s a fascinating theory.

Why do you think it's wrong?

wouldnt it be a lot simple to just announce "hey if you think you see a ufo, 'its probably us' and we would appreciate a report so we can correlate sightings with our various stealth tests."?

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by cairo_x » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 5:39 AM UTC

mileycyrusXOXO wrote: post #136

cairo_x wrote: post #118

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... except both pilots saw the object using their eyeballs through the window.

Not both, one did.

Yes both. One of the pilots (Fravor) went on Joe Rogan. He said his buddy stayed up circling and was also able to eyeball the craft. He wanted to get up close to it, and she covered him from above. Apparently his buddy got really disturbed and angry about the whole thing--that this stuff has been going on and that they weren't warned properly about it.

They both got the idea it was just a 'weird little thing' from the ship's radar operators, but when they actually saw it they both were obviously kind of gobsmacked. The unnamed female pilot apparently got kind of outraged that there was no procedure or information being shared in an organized way. Like nobody knows really what to even do in these situations because it's not really seriously talked about.

Like I said, the radar operators were seeing these things before the pilots even got into the air. So that rules out dust.

I was thinking more some kind of Russian disinformation operation--a low mass kite kind of craft remotely powered or towed by a fast underwater sister drone. Both operated from a submarine for example (Fravor reported large wave disturbances below the craft that did not match the craft's shape).

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by xenophonf » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 5:43 AM UTC

TearsInTheRain wrote: post #162

baybal2 wrote: post #70

I think if we ever see an alien, he will either fly to us in a completely enormous nuclear rocket which we will spot years before his arrival and deceleration. This is in the case if there is really no other way to traverse stars besides conventional rocketry. But in case if there is a way to trick any of the fundamental physics we know after all, then very likely the guy will come right at our porch, and they've pro…

>I think if we ever see an alien, he will either fly to us in a completely enormous nuclear rocket which we will spot years before his arrival and deceleration . We have a tough time detecting asteroids until they've already flown by, I have a hard time believing we would spot a ship years in advance

The drive plume will be bright and hot and aimed right at us. Somebody running an all-sky radio survey will spot it, eventually. It will take a long time to decelerate, years if not decades even if it's only cruising at a small fraction of c. (Project Daedalus would have cruised at 0.12 c.)

Re: UFO: Pilot who spotted famous Tic Tac breaks silence after 15 years

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Post by elkos » Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 6:34 AM UTC

I don't claim that's the case but there's at least one missile: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3M22_Zircon) hypothesised to produce plasma stealth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_stealth).

My understanding is that a plasma stealth object should be high velocity and be optically bright to visual and IR. I don't maintain an hypothesis that that is the case but if any of my airmen would see such an object I would definitely like to have a report on that.