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Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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People don't mind buying from a vendor's site directly but the vendor should do their best to reduce the admin / pain of doing so. Some tips I wish vendors would follow: 1. Don't capture more information than is absolutely necessary for the transaction. 2. Don't force the user to sign up or join anything if they just want to buy something. 3. Don't automatically add the user to your newsletter and send their details…

The issue is that Amazon and other 3rd party vendors actually offer deals. I was in the market for some headphones and had a specific brand and make in mind and when I looked in their site they were more than $100 more than Amazon. This has held true for me for a lot of items and even when using price tracker it is pretty much no contest to just buy off any reputable vendor most of the time. I think it's just that th…

> I think it's just that the people who make the goods often have no market sense and rely on outsourcing it for 90% of their sales.

I've worked on a few client projects that involved large, successful, but traditional consumer goods companies try their hand at a direct to consumer (D2C) model.

As other comments have alluded to, there's tension involved when a manufacturer starts to be seen as a direct competitor by their distributors. Shopper marketing teams can quickly shift from having incredibly collaborative relationships and partnerships with their retailers to adversarial relationships with cutbacks on shelf space and promotional support. Some manufacturers are more risk tolerant than others on the impact that a D2C channel will create, and that may be reflected in the pricing for their D2C channel.

But that's only one side of the picture. Even at clients that don't care at all about the risk to existing distributor relations, they can rarely make their D2C channel profitable, let alone cost-competitive with retail channels. At manufacturers: marketing teams are competent in mass market campaigns and retailer-driven promotions, designed and measured using approximations and proxy metrics (due to having limited if any access to consumer level information), digital teams are competent in creating promo microsites and brochure sites, and operations teams are competent in efficiently moving goods at pallet and truckload scales. And all of the vendor and agency relationships are also around those competencies.

All of that tends to work against the D2C model. Direct response, performance marketing campaigns tend to require a completely different skillset than your marketing team currently has (and the agencies they use have). Your creative, UX, and development teams and processes are likely not the best fit for the needs of ecommerce and conversion rate optimization. And you'll either need to outsource order fulfillment to a third party or be very disruptive to your logistics org when they have to mix in packing and shipping $50 orders with 10+ SKUs to consumers along with their usual duties of shipping $5,000+ orders of 1 SKU to a retailer. Plus your shipping costs will be incredibly painful, as consumers have come to expect shipping to be quick and cheap/free, but you'll need to use new shipping vendors for retail package delivery and likely won't have the volume to get all that great of prices.

Add up the inefficiencies at each stage, and even with pricing that isn't competitive with retail distributors, many manufacturers operate their D2C channel at a loss. They're happy if their loss is low enough to write off the D2C channel as a marketing expense and strategically important enough to subsidize. Breaking even and being self-sufficient is seen as a success, and profit (and growth) is only ever talked about when you need to pitch executives internally for a cash infusion every couple of years.

Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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People don't mind buying from a vendor's site directly but the vendor should do their best to reduce the admin / pain of doing so. Some tips I wish vendors would follow: 1. Don't capture more information than is absolutely necessary for the transaction. 2. Don't force the user to sign up or join anything if they just want to buy something. 3. Don't automatically add the user to your newsletter and send their details…

I agree with each item but I'm not optimistic. Even brick and mortar stores are demanding phone numbers and emails to complete in-store transactions now. I used to fight a war of wills refusing to provide either until Home Depot associatesstraight up said they wouldn't finish the transaction and no one had authorization to bypass the email field when I tried to buy a freezer there.

I since set up an email alias with fastmail to deal with this crap. I recently had a similar thing go down at DSW -- they sent my junk account via my alias 4 emails in the space of two days.

Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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Whether or not this is smart, I’m just here to highlight the obvious BS of this statement: Nike claims to be removing its product from amazon so as to "elevate consumer experiences." ugh. Fluffy Subjective Possibly wrong I don’t need a massive hero image of a sports star to order gym shorts or a gym bag. I’m just searching amazon for what I need. My "experience" is worse if I never even see Nike's products, not bette…

“Elevate consumer experiences”, huh? I also call total BS. I’m not a sneaker guy, but recently tried to buy a launch pair of sneakers as a gift - only available by Nike’s store. It was a terrible experience with their storefront - crashing, erroring out, empty HTTP responses, app errors, redirect loops, self-emptying cart, etc. Finally got to chat with someone at Nike support after trying for an hour - sold out. They…

Sneaker drops are notoriously bad experiences due to how many people and bots are hitting the website/app.

I’m not sure your single experience of the worst case shopping scenario for Nike is representative of the average costumer experience.

Besides that, as someone who has bought Nike/Adidas gear on Amazon, it can be a very bad experience. Description information is often lacking, especially if you are trying to see if this is the most recent model or care about sizing information, let alone if it’s going to be a legitimate product. And if it isn’t, good luck being able to immediately tell it’s fake.

I can definitely see why Nike thinks this is a costumer experience improvement (as well as all the business benefits too, of course).

Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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People don't mind buying from a vendor's site directly but the vendor should do their best to reduce the admin / pain of doing so. Some tips I wish vendors would follow: 1. Don't capture more information than is absolutely necessary for the transaction. 2. Don't force the user to sign up or join anything if they just want to buy something. 3. Don't automatically add the user to your newsletter and send their details…

I agree with each item but I'm not optimistic. Even brick and mortar stores are demanding phone numbers and emails to complete in-store transactions now. I used to fight a war of wills refusing to provide either until Home Depot associatesstraight up said they wouldn't finish the transaction and no one had authorization to bypass the email field when I tried to buy a freezer there. I since set up an email alias with…

why even give them a real email address?

Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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“Elevate consumer experiences”, huh? I also call total BS. I’m not a sneaker guy, but recently tried to buy a launch pair of sneakers as a gift - only available by Nike’s store. It was a terrible experience with their storefront - crashing, erroring out, empty HTTP responses, app errors, redirect loops, self-emptying cart, etc. Finally got to chat with someone at Nike support after trying for an hour - sold out. They…

Sneaker drops are notoriously bad experiences due to how many people and bots are hitting the website/app. I’m not sure your single experience of the worst case shopping scenario for Nike is representative of the average costumer experience. Besides that, as someone who has bought Nike/Adidas gear on Amazon, it can be a very bad experience. Description information is often lacking, especially if you are trying to see…

I have very little sympathy for nike on their forced scarcity bent lately, they're only doing it to themslves on this bad user experience.

Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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People don't mind buying from a vendor's site directly but the vendor should do their best to reduce the admin / pain of doing so. Some tips I wish vendors would follow: 1. Don't capture more information than is absolutely necessary for the transaction. 2. Don't force the user to sign up or join anything if they just want to buy something. 3. Don't automatically add the user to your newsletter and send their details…

I am 100% more likely to buy from your online store if you have a simple checkout process that lets me use Apple Pay. And if you want an email to send the confirmation to use Sign In with Apple and I will default to buying from you over another provider. It’s as simple as that: I get far less spam, I know my privacy is being secured, and I get to support a company that supports the easiest checkout process ever.

The best non-Amazon experience I had recently was with Butter Cloth. No sign up, no need to enter my name and address, supports Apple Pay (amongst others).

If more companies did this I’d be more inclined to shop around than default to Amazon.

Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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I tried to buy my Mom a birthday gift with such an apple pay checkout from a manufacture's site, and I have been unable to set the shipping address to her's vs mine. It was a bit cheaper than Amazon, but it is coming to my house today and not my Mom's (happy birthday mom!). Now she has to wait till thanksgiving.

The prompt that comes up to initiate Apple Pay has a section for the shipping information. If you click that, you can create multiple locations and addresses for each location. You can even create custom emails in the same way under the email section. Is that what you were doing and were unable to do it or was there some kind of technical issue?

I just hit "Buy" and it was bought -- I didn't get any prompt that I noticed except for "approve this on your watch"

Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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Pick your favorite designer perfume/cologne and look at the reviews on Amazon. (For example, Creed Aventus [1]). A large percentage will say "fake".

I can't believe any trademarked brand would sell on Amazon, given they do not care to control their supply chain. It's a lose-lose: unhappy customers getting ripped off, and name brands getting disappointed customers of their faked products.

1. https://www.amazon.com/Creed-Aventus-Parfum-Spray-Ounce/dp/B...

Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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Pick your favorite designer perfume/cologne and look at the reviews on Amazon. (For example, Creed Aventus [1]). A large percentage will say "fake". I can't believe any trademarked brand would sell on Amazon, given they do not care to control their supply chain. It's a lose-lose: unhappy customers getting ripped off, and name brands getting disappointed customers of their faked products. 1. https://www.amazon.com/Cre…

The problem is that even if you don't sell on Amazon, Amazon is more then happy to let counter-fitters crap on your brand.

Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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>Yeah, alright, because marketing and the higher-ups will be totally a-ok with all of those missed opportunities...not? I've definitely just aborted out of a purchase flow for pretty much all of these things. You're supposed to be making profits, not happiness for your marketing team.

> You're supposed to be making profits, not happiness for your marketing team. These two things have a strong positive correlation. Marketing teams don't become happy just because you get a newsletter. They become happy because you engage with the brand and the brand makes more sales. Which in turn makes for more profits.

These two things have a strong positive correlation. Marketing teams don't become happy just because you get a newsletter. They become happy because you engage with the brand and the brand makes more sales. Which in turn makes for more profits.

Making people jump through hoops to stop the barrage of spam certainly means your users will be engaged. But it also means they'll be unhappy. Which in turn makes for fewer profits.

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