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Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

Arcten wrote: post #37
SamBam wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How will a fake id pass BarZapp? According to the article (I know nothing about this, so could be wrong) it looks up the id in a database and returns the name and dob of the owner. How could the made-up name be in the database? Or are they cloning existing IDs, and the buyer doesn't get a choice in the name?

It's neither. All BarZapp does is read the barcode and check that it contains reasonable information and it formatted according to the standards. Vendors have figured out proper formatting so they look appropriate to BarZapp. Of course, no fake id will pass actual lookup in a database. Except of course cloned IDs, which are extremely rare in my experience. I've heard of stories of someone with a stolen DMV database w…

At that point you're talking about identity theft which is a whole different ballgame...

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by pavel_lishin »

SamBam wrote: post #30
iplaw wrote: post #16

A friend of mine from the University of Texas was arrested by Federal Agents while eating dinner in the cafeteria at Jester dormitory. He had purchased a card printing machine, a hologram printer, a blue portrait backdrop, etc. and set up shop in his dorm room. He made quite a bit of money before the law caught up to him and, despite being older and wiser, still has that felony charge hanging over him. A disgruntled…

I feel like a good seller is probably also someone who is choosy about his clients, and doesn't sell to baby-faced 15 year olds.

And probably doesn't keep his equipment in his dorm room in plain sight.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by s0rce »

djsumdog wrote: post #126
delecti wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a big part of the problem is that America is very large and very car focused. If you can reasonably walk to where you're drinking (or more importantly, walk home from there), then you're less likely to drive drunk. Many bars in America essentially require driving to and from.

This. MADD really is fighting the wrong battle and should be a lobby for real mass transit in most major US cities. The idea that America is "too spread out" is a terrible myth. Every America city I've lived it use to have amazing tram systems. They're all gone now; killed by the desire of Ford and GM to see us a car future. There is an amazing amount of advertising that trained Americans to love their cars and consi…

I've lived in big and small cities and I am a strong proponent of good public transit, however, other than in big cities that have terrible parking and even worse traffic, cars really are more efficient to get around (except if you want to drink, I don't get drunk much anymore so this isn't a big issue). With cars you can easily go multiple places, close or far, you can transport kids, pets, sick and elderly people with minimal effort.

Obviously for many situations in big cities everyone can't just drive a car or you end up with terrible grid lock. Traffic problems now suggest that keeping the old trams around would probably have been better but around the time they got rid of them cars may have been truly more efficient and people lacked the foresight to save the public transit.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by Zak »

simplyluke wrote: post #150
post_break wrote: post #55

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21 to purchase from a retail, I believe it's still 18 to purchase from an individual, making it even more backwards.

This is correct in Texas. It's rooted in an issue in how the ATF defines weapons.

It's rooted in federalism. The federal government generally doesn't have the power to regulate transactions between individuals within a state. When it has assumed such powers, it has required some legal gymnastics.

A gun dealer with an FFL has a license to do interstate commerce in firearms and is subject to federal regulations on the subject. A private sale is governed by state law.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by ci5er »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #57
post_break wrote: post #4

This reminds me of back in the day when someone broke into the Ohio DMV and stole the machine that made the IDs and starting making exact "fake" IDs.

I think this is why Indiana quit printing ID's in the county offices. They are now printed in a central location in Indianapolis and arrive in the mail.

That may be part of it, but in Texas (where they do the same thing), they use the mail-back as a way to (partially) verify your physical address.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by uiri »

maxerickson wrote: post #65
celticninja wrote: post #63

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You are in America too, adult enough to marry, adult enough to join the army and die for your country, adult enough to drive, smoke cigarettes (and weed in some states), have sex (gay sex too) but not old enough to drink alcohol.

Purchase alcohol. There's all sorts of situations where it is legal for minors to drink alcohol. Like for example, when accompanied by a parent in a bar in Wisconsin.

The person you're replying to isn't talking about minors. The age of majority in every state in the US is 18 with the exceptions of Nebraska and Alabama where it is 19.

The activities listed - getting married, serving in the military, etc. are related to no longer being a minor. It is completely ridiculous that people who are not minors are barred from purchasing alcohol.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by maxerickson »

uiri wrote: post #166
maxerickson wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Purchase alcohol. There's all sorts of situations where it is legal for minors to drink alcohol. Like for example, when accompanied by a parent in a bar in Wisconsin.

The person you're replying to isn't talking about minors . The age of majority in every state in the US is 18 with the exceptions of Nebraska and Alabama where it is 19. The activities listed - getting married, serving in the military, etc. are related to no longer being a minor. It is completely ridiculous that people who are not minors are barred from purchasing alcohol.

Fair point, sloppy language on my part.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by knz »

krzyk wrote: post #99
knz wrote: post #36

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Don't let it stop you. Despite the anecdotes most people pass through the border with no issues at all, certainly no more than the grilling you'll get flying into parts of Europe (UK and Denmark come to mind from my personal experience - nothing too crazy just a lot of questions vs some of my US crossings where they barely look at you). Likewise with the violence you'll see in the media. Most of America is safe and p…

Being in EU, we don't know the grilling at UK, Denmark or any other EU (Schengen participants to be specific), (it's more or less like going from one state to the other in USA), so the comparison doesn't help much to parent poster.

Schengen residents returning to the area from trips outside of it surely pass through border control and immigration screening?

My most recent travel to Europe took me through Madrid and Copenhagen on the way to London - I recall seeing everyone (EU residents and non EU residents) waiting in line to clear immigration into the UK. On those same trips I also flew through France and Germany - those were all like domestic US flights without any additional screening but the UK definitely seemed to screen everyone. I also know multiple EU residents/family members who have had similar experiences with UK immigration being less than friendly when returning from the US.

Google also suggests that many EU countries have reintroduced border checks due to security concerns - https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/border...

Passing from one state to another in the US doesn't involve any stop or screening.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by dionidium »

djsumdog wrote: post #126
delecti wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a big part of the problem is that America is very large and very car focused. If you can reasonably walk to where you're drinking (or more importantly, walk home from there), then you're less likely to drive drunk. Many bars in America essentially require driving to and from.

This. MADD really is fighting the wrong battle and should be a lobby for real mass transit in most major US cities. The idea that America is "too spread out" is a terrible myth. Every America city I've lived it use to have amazing tram systems. They're all gone now; killed by the desire of Ford and GM to see us a car future. There is an amazing amount of advertising that trained Americans to love their cars and consi…

No, it actually really is too spread out. My hometown of St. Louis once had an extensive streetcar network, that much is true; but you're missing a key point: that network was almost entirely within the 66 square miles of the original St. Louis City limits.

The region is now spread far, far beyond those original borders. Only about 300k of the 2.8 million residents of greater St. Louis currently live within those limits.

The historic streetcar network cannot be replicated today precisely because, yes, we are too spread out.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by [deleted] »

pzduniak wrote: post #123
krzyk wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being in EU, we don't know the grilling at UK, Denmark or any other EU (Schengen participants to be specific), (it's more or less like going from one state to the other in USA), so the comparison doesn't help much to parent poster.

Correct. My main issue is that in fact I worked (led development / designed the whole security system) at an encrypted email service and CEO claimed police investigated into us before we ran out of money. It might be bullshit, but I'd rather not risk getting humiliated by some asshole at border control, especially considering how much more interesting many countries in EU are.

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