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Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by soundwave106 »

douche wrote: post #43
pzduniak wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a well-off 19yo engineer in Poland I can't even imagine being treated unequally in everyday life, so that's yet another reason to not visit US for me, other than almost certainly being questioned at a border (although 90% of my income comes from startups in California).

If you're a stereotypically ethnic Polish person (just guessing from the username) no one is going to even look cross-eyed at you if you can speak English at all. The 21 year drinking age is still idiotic and actively harmful.

The only advise I would give on this angle is more that one should carry their passports (or some other form of ID) with them if they want to enter US bars / drinking establishments or even just want to order a beer.

The United States (from my perception) seems to have far more establishments serving alcohol, whose policy is to ask identification for everyone (or if not everyone, a ridiculously over-heavy subsection of their clients, eg "we check ID for anyone under 35"). Probably for CYA reasons.

I don't ever recall any place in Europe asking for ID when buying a beer over in there (even when I visited when I was in my mid 20s). Whereas, I still occasionally get asked for ID in the United States in spite of being over 40.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by brilliantcode »

lvoudour wrote: post #29
StavrosK wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Greece, we don't check IDs for alcohol use (in practice. I think we're supposed to be doing it, nowadays). There are also no on-premises laws for alcohol. I think that's mostly because the culture is different, as people don't generally drink to get drunk like in other countries. You won't see the round-after-round drinking that you see in the UK or US, people will generally buy one or two drinks, and will rarely…

>In Greece, we don't check IDs for alcohol use (in practice. I think we're supposed to be doing it, nowadays). There are also no on-premises laws for alcohol. That's not correct. The law states clearly that alcohol purchase and consumption in public are illegal for underage people [1]. It's also illegal to enter premises where alcohol is served, without being escorted by an adult. Unfortunately the problem with Greec…

I think the law is flawed when it incorrectly assumes everybody's mental age progresses at the exact uniform rate.

They don't. Some people even at 20s, 30s, 40s, haven't had the necessary mental/emotional development.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by celticninja »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #5

The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose. But we don't have MADD, I guess.

You are in America too, adult enough to marry, adult enough to join the army and die for your country, adult enough to drive, smoke cigarettes (and weed in some states), have sex (gay sex too) but not old enough to drink alcohol.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by celticninja »

delecti wrote: post #58
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #5

The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose. But we don't have MADD, I guess.

I think a big part of the problem is that America is very large and very car focused. If you can reasonably walk to where you're drinking (or more importantly, walk home from there), then you're less likely to drive drunk. Many bars in America essentially require driving to and from.

This doesn't make any sense. Doesn't matter your age if you have to drive to/from the bar and drink driving is illegal, what difference does being 18 or 21 make?

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by maxerickson »

celticninja wrote: post #63
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #5

The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose. But we don't have MADD, I guess.

You are in America too, adult enough to marry, adult enough to join the army and die for your country, adult enough to drive, smoke cigarettes (and weed in some states), have sex (gay sex too) but not old enough to drink alcohol.

Purchase alcohol.

There's all sorts of situations where it is legal for minors to drink alcohol.

Like for example, when accompanied by a parent in a bar in Wisconsin.

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Post by EGreg »

StavrosK wrote: post #24
JshWright wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (or if they're reckless kids) Which (right or wrong) is the rationalization behind restricting alcohol to those under a certain age.

Definitely, but you could say the same about many behaviours that aren't currently being age-restricted. Even drunk kids will just have a bad next morning, rather than go out and cause larger-scale problems like vandalism (although plenty do that sober).

Unless they can drink and drive.

Self driving cars should probably fix this someday. All other cars should have mandatory ignition interlocks for breathalyzing.

Someone should invent an bluetooth-connected breathalyzer which at least annoyingly beeps when you drive until you pass. It worked for seatbelts! Kids used to not wear then until the beeping made it more annoying to not do it. Annoyance is a big motivator.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by reitanqild »

ue_ wrote: post #53
StavrosK wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Greece, we don't check IDs for alcohol use (in practice. I think we're supposed to be doing it, nowadays). There are also no on-premises laws for alcohol. I think that's mostly because the culture is different, as people don't generally drink to get drunk like in other countries. You won't see the round-after-round drinking that you see in the UK or US, people will generally buy one or two drinks, and will rarely…

Pardon my ignorance, but why drink if not to get 'drunk'? Alcohol doesn't taste very nice, so the only advantage I get out of it is that I feel more of a 'buzz'. Is it common just to drink as if it were something that tastes nice, like juice?

Quite confused by your comment.

I like beer. And if I could have non-alcoholic beer that tasted as well as standard beer I'd prefer that. (IMO todays alternatives still taste very different.)

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by realusername »

swimfar wrote: post #17
realusername wrote: post #8

Is that seriously how the driving license looks like in the US? It looks like a student card, I understand why it's easy to duplicate now.

Compared to what? I've seen much simpler driver's licenses from other countries. Up until recently (2013 maybe) the French driver's license was literally a piece of pink paper with a picture glued to it. http://flawlessfakeids.com/wp-content/uploads/French-Fake-Dr...

Yes but in France you have an ID card, you don't need the driving license to identify you.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by brilliantcode »

iplaw wrote: post #16

A friend of mine from the University of Texas was arrested by Federal Agents while eating dinner in the cafeteria at Jester dormitory. He had purchased a card printing machine, a hologram printer, a blue portrait backdrop, etc. and set up shop in his dorm room. He made quite a bit of money before the law caught up to him and, despite being older and wiser, still has that felony charge hanging over him. A disgruntled…

Lesson #1: Stick with your ideal customers because a customer who isn't a good fit for your product will inevitably experience problems and decide to blame you for it. This is why a refund policy makes sense but even that could be avoided by sticking to rule #1.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by sithadmin »

maxerickson wrote: post #65
celticninja wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are in America too, adult enough to marry, adult enough to join the army and die for your country, adult enough to drive, smoke cigarettes (and weed in some states), have sex (gay sex too) but not old enough to drink alcohol.

Purchase alcohol. There's all sorts of situations where it is legal for minors to drink alcohol. Like for example, when accompanied by a parent in a bar in Wisconsin.

Many states have a provision allowing minors to consume alcohol provided by parents/guardians, but good luck getting a bar to serve to a minor, even if the parent is there.

No bar owner wants to deal with nitpicking from law enforcement over whether or not the person with the minor was actually their parent or guardian, and serving someone that is obviously a minor is a big enough cultural taboo in the US that few if any business owners/managers are willing to do it.

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