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Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by pbhjpbhj » Wed, May 03, 2017, 2:03 PM UTC

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #5

The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose. But we don't have MADD, I guess.

If you look under 25, IIRC, you're supposed to be "challenged" (asked for ID) in the UK for alcohol sales.

Also, under 18s probably still want to be served. I was 14 when I first tried to get served in a bar (barman sold a 16yo the drinks, then came and confiscated them; canny barman).

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by pzduniak » Wed, May 03, 2017, 2:03 PM UTC

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #5

The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose. But we don't have MADD, I guess.

Being a well-off 19yo engineer in Poland I can't even imagine being treated unequally in everyday life, so that's yet another reason to not visit US for me, other than almost certainly being questioned at a border (although 90% of my income comes from startups in California).

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by tclancy » Wed, May 03, 2017, 2:05 PM UTC

About 5 years ago I went to a getaway-type bachelor party. Along with us were the groom's future brother-in-law and two state police officers (friends of the groom, it wasn't that exciting a trip). At one point in the night, the brother-in-law (18) hands his fake ID over to the cops, they both stare at it and go, "Nope, no way I could tell that was fake."

Ever since I've been waiting for the US to suck it up and drop the drinking age back to 18, highway funds be damned.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by StavrosK » Wed, May 03, 2017, 2:07 PM UTC

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #5

The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose. But we don't have MADD, I guess.

In Greece, we don't check IDs for alcohol use (in practice. I think we're supposed to be doing it, nowadays). There are also no on-premises laws for alcohol. I think that's mostly because the culture is different, as people don't generally drink to get drunk like in other countries. You won't see the round-after-round drinking that you see in the UK or US, people will generally buy one or two drinks, and will rarely get drunk unless it's a big night out (or if they're reckless kids).

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by mc32 » Wed, May 03, 2017, 2:08 PM UTC

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #5

The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose. But we don't have MADD, I guess.

On the other hand we never had Asbos which were indicative of some of the issues which can irritate adults.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by iplaw » Wed, May 03, 2017, 2:09 PM UTC

A friend of mine from the University of Texas was arrested by Federal Agents while eating dinner in the cafeteria at Jester dormitory. He had purchased a card printing machine, a hologram printer, a blue portrait backdrop, etc. and set up shop in his dorm room. He made quite a bit of money before the law caught up to him and, despite being older and wiser, still has that felony charge hanging over him. A disgruntled customer who was turned away from a bar on 6th Street snitched. Nevermind that this kid looked 15 and it wasn't the ID that sold out his true age.

I am confident that these shipments from IDGod are being tracked and recorded, and a bust of the customers and/or IDGod is in the works.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by swimfar » Wed, May 03, 2017, 2:09 PM UTC

realusername wrote: post #8

Is that seriously how the driving license looks like in the US? It looks like a student card, I understand why it's easy to duplicate now.

Compared to what? I've seen much simpler driver's licenses from other countries. Up until recently (2013 maybe) the French driver's license was literally a piece of pink paper with a picture glued to it.

http://flawlessfakeids.com/wp-content/uploads/French-Fake-Dr...

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by 0xfeba » Wed, May 03, 2017, 2:10 PM UTC

post_break wrote: post #9

walshemj wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and there is even push back against under 21 sqadies /grunts being able to drink - you can put your life on the line for your country but cant get a beer

Same thing with weapons. Go shoot automatic rifles with the government, oh you want to buy hand gun ammunition? Sorry you can't, have to be 21.

Depends on the state, but Federal law does require you to be 21 or older to purchase a handgun. Ammunition can be sold without any background checks or ID checks in some states.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by ythn » Wed, May 03, 2017, 2:10 PM UTC

pzduniak wrote: post #12

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #5

The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose. But we don't have MADD, I guess.

Being a well-off 19yo engineer in Poland I can't even imagine being treated unequally in everyday life, so that's yet another reason to not visit US for me, other than almost certainly being questioned at a border (although 90% of my income comes from startups in California).

Careful not to bite the hand that feeds you

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by JshWright » Wed, May 03, 2017, 2:12 PM UTC

StavrosK wrote: post #14

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #5

The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose. But we don't have MADD, I guess.

In Greece, we don't check IDs for alcohol use (in practice. I think we're supposed to be doing it, nowadays). There are also no on-premises laws for alcohol. I think that's mostly because the culture is different, as people don't generally drink to get drunk like in other countries. You won't see the round-after-round drinking that you see in the UK or US, people will generally buy one or two drinks, and will rarely…

> (or if they're reckless kids)

Which (right or wrong) is the rationalization behind restricting alcohol to those under a certain age.