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And the Titanic was built to be unsinkable.
OT, but thats pretty much a myth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legends_and_myths_regarding_RMS...
Oh cool! I didn't know that. Off topic, but I learned something. Thanks.
MH370: A different point of view
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Re: MH370: A different point of view
#152I took a flight on a 777 from Dulles to London a couple years ago. A few hours into the flight the captain announced a suspected cabin fire and the smell of smoke in the cockpit. The crew shut off all the circuits they didn't need to fly the plane, the captain took a left turn, and we made an emergency landing at Reykjavik. Just sayin'.
You could just as easily take the same facts and say: "I took a flight on a 777 where there actually was a cabin fire (or at least the crew thought so). But our pilot never lost contact with the ground and we landed safely -- we certainly didn't disappear for over a week, fly far beyond our emergency landing opportunity, or perform bizarre evasive maneuvers. Just sayin'."
Of course.
Re: MH370: A different point of view
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also doesn't address telemetry being turned off dozens of minutes before last radio comm.
Couldn't a fire in the electric turn off the telemetry minutes before it gets noticed?
There are alarms for everything under the sun, I don't think it would be possible for a fire to knock off a key system and the pilots not know about it.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
My post was simply to share useless aviation information in a show of solidarity with everyone else, but it would be more accurate to say it was akin to someone saying "we had a gas leak over the middle of the ocean, at night, it was dark and sweltering and smelled like smoke and everyone was freaking out but they made us stay inside for a couple more hours until we finally landed on a runway lit up by emergency vehi…
"Akin" in that your second version has the complete opposite tone and implicit meaning to your original post?
"Implicit meaning?" I never meant to say a fire in-flight is no big deal, if that's what you inferred. I hope you never experience one or anything like it, but if you do my advice is to try to stay calm and not to call the gas company.
Re: MH370: A different point of view
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
My post was simply to share useless aviation information in a show of solidarity with everyone else, but it would be more accurate to say it was akin to someone saying "we had a gas leak over the middle of the ocean, at night, it was dark and sweltering and smelled like smoke and everyone was freaking out but they made us stay inside for a couple more hours until we finally landed on a runway lit up by emergency vehi…
"Akin" in that your second version has the complete opposite tone and implicit meaning to your original post?
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Re: MH370: A different point of view
#156In every instance of cabin fire, even ones where the fires spread extremely quickly and are eventually fatal such as SwissAir and ValueJet, the crew contacted the ground. And this was the case even when co-pilots were literally out of their seats actually fighting the fires. Yet every single time the ground was alerted about an emergency. This is what veteran pilots do. Also, for a fire to destroy the multiple electr…
An Egypt Air 777-200 had a cockpit fire on the ground. This would complicate a reponse.
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7&opt=0
Presuming they lost the battle, instrumentation/ap would drop out. Eventually, the fire would burn through the cockpit (see pictures above) and depressurize the a/c. Fire would then go out. Engines would keep going.
Eventually, someone will correlate wind directions with any required in-flight cg changes (fuel tanking) not being completed and I won't be surprised if a pattern emerges.
Re: MH370: A different point of view
#157The Ledgerwood theory makes more sense to my completely amateur ears... http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malay...
Re: MH370: A different point of view
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
In an emergency, the safest way to burn fuel is to reach the closest airport and then circle it. Not head to a more distant airport which you might not reach because of the very emergency. All hypotheses will invalidate the major premise: that the pilots chose that particular heading not randomly, but in a calculated attempt to reach the nearest airport because of an emergency. Basically, no matter where the plane wo…
In a dire emergency, you would just dump the fuel and not try to burn it off.
Except, the 777 does not have fuel dumping.
It was not required for certification because it meets the minimum required climb rate with an engine failure after takeoff at Max Gross Weight.
Re: MH370: A different point of view
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also doesn't address telemetry being turned off dozens of minutes before last radio comm.
It's being reported[1 - NYT] that the 107 "turn off time" is inaccurately quoted. It wasn't that the system was turned off at 107, as much as the next expected report at 137 was not received. This leaves a 30 minute window during which the system was disabled. Note also that the last voice communication was at 119, so it could have been disabled after that. We simply do not know. [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18…
""turn off time" is inaccurately quoted"
That is part of the problem with any analysis of what could have happened.
We don't know for sure if all the input is correct as reported. The old garbage in garbage out.
We don't know if the background checks (some of which are complete some which various countries haven't even released yet) have issues. Everything is speculation based on fuzzy information.
All we know is what is reported and we don't know how much of it is actually correct. Which is what your comment illustrates ""turn off time" is inaccurately quoted".
Re: MH370: A different point of view
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Plenty of weird reasons to climb like that[1]. I think people dramatically underestimate how mechanical and/or electronic system failure combines with human misjudgement to make things operate in entirely unpredictable ways. I've never been involved in an air crash investigation, but I have done many system outage investigations. The majority of them[2] involve a failure of a hardware/software system, followed by man…
Completely agree. I'm surprised that, especially on HN, the large number of people who won't apply Occam's Razer to the situation. I imagine that most air accident investigations begin like this; confused, competing information from numerous sources of varying reliability. Just with the internet and 24h news, everyone is following along with each revelation (see also the Pistorius trial). Give it some time, let the i…
I just blame aliens or a very localized rapture.