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US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by ARandomerDude »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #80
bootsmann wrote: post #6

Noone could’ve seen this coming, how were they supposed to know that the strait of hormuz is so important!

This is very much a 'you break it, you buy it' situation. The US should be running destroyer screens for convoys a la WW2 today , yet AFAIK the US fleet is sitting hundreds of miles out of the Persian Gulf, within bombing range, outside of easy strike range.

The navigable part of the Strait of Hormuz is only 15-ish miles wide, maybe less. There is no way the US can convoy screen anything without significant loss in sailors and ships.

The WW2 convoy situation was far easier to escort (but still quite dangerous obviously) because:

1. The Atlantic is a much bigger place, even considering common routes and chokepoints.

2. U-Boats had to surface frequently, making them extremely vulnerable to Allied air cover.

3. U-Boats had to be within visual range to strike convoys, versus the drone and missile world we live in now.

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Post by bootsmann »

comrade1234 wrote: post #137
bootsmann wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s Ukraine, no “the”.

In many languages the article is necessary. I assume English is their second language.

Yes but as one of the other commenters pointed out, its a charged term when it comes to Ukraine so its worth mentioning to people that use it accidentally.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

dizlexic wrote: post #23
VK-pro wrote: post #7

One of the self-owns of all time. Triggering a global supply chain crisis right before midterms is bottom of the barrel strategy. But then again, who expects competency from any recent American administration, most especially this one?

Depends, I just want to point out that the US is a net exporter of Oil. They also secured oil imports from Venezuela while at the same time in 2 strokes seriously hurt Chinese oil imports. If the goal was to hurt China / BRICS and kneecap Iran it seems on point. It's always hard to predict how the USA will vote when "war" is happening.

The 'issue' here is that China has good relations with Iran and in talks to guarantee safe passage for their ships, like they had previously with respect to attacks off Yemen by the Iran-backed Houthis.

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Post by realo »

ultratalk wrote: post #93
OutOfHere wrote: post #48

Trump has given a surprise gift to renewable energy worldwide, one that the sector should not fail to use.

A lot of the world tried to shift to renewables during the ~10-year-long 1970s embargo. They went straight back to sweet old oil afterwards. This isn't gonna last nearly as long. Don't get me wrong, I hope and pray that renewables get a boost out of this, but I don't think it's gonna happen.

Really not sure you can compare solar and wind energy from the 1970s to the highly efficient modern solar and wind solutions of today.

Really.

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Post by akudha »

p-o wrote: post #11

Why did we have to go through all this pain. Was that really necessary? And given we mostly talk about technology here, let me put this through that lens: With all the technology advancement and improvement with access to information in the last 30 years, why does it feel that all of this culminates to more disinformation, more pain, and less understanding?

Because it is much easier to do more damage (disinformation, propaganda etc) with today's technology than ever before. Radio could do more damage than newspapers, TV could do more damage than radio, internet can do way more damage than TV...

Someone with a 500$ laptop, internet connection and a handful of social media accounts can do a level of damage and cause pain that would be impossible 3-4 decades ago.

Technology might advance, but people are still people. Greed, stupidity, ego, jingoism...these don't change no matter how much tech advances

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Post by CapricornNoble »

moi2388 wrote: post #136
ipaddr wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you are sending ground troops that's not happening.

I think you underestimate how much Iranians hate their current regime..

Telegram is full of gigantic rallies all hours of the day and night supporting the Iranian government. Even street interviews with young women (no hijab!) claiming they were formerly protesters but aren't going to tolerate foreigners bombing their country.

Do you have some solid sources on the ground to the contrary?

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Post by nemo136 »

gdulli wrote: post #134
lesuorac wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about the same guy that sent a second slate of electors for the 2020 election. The same guy that told the government of Georgia to add 10,000 votes to his total so he'd win. The same guy that received 0 punishment for either action. Why wouldn't he try something for the mid-terms?

Well he and his people are far too stupid and incompetent to have come close to succeeding. While it's not great that there was no punishment, we should at least be thankful that they act on emotion and can only loosely follow playbooks for corruption from the past rather than write new ones for modern times.

They still kill a lot of people and, through their actions/inaction, let many others be killed.

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Post by nostrademons »

financetechbro wrote: post #117
margalabargala wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's currently historically accurate. It's aged 250 years so far. Civil war? Elections. WWII? Elections. Covid? Elections.

Wake up. Things are different this time in case you haven’t noticed

They may be, but if there are no elections, there is no United States. Constitutionally, its government is predicated on having elected representatives.

I could see Trump trying this, but I also can see dozens of other people or groups, some richer, more powerful, more competent, and more ruthless than Trump, just waiting in the wings for the guardrails to come off to make a play to rule the territory of the former United States. If he tries and succeeds at this it's open-season. It's not a Trump dictatorship, it's a civil war, akin to the Chinese Civil War after the emperor fell or the Syrian civil war after the Arab Spring.

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Post by apercu »

VK-pro wrote: post #7

One of the self-owns of all time. Triggering a global supply chain crisis right before midterms is bottom of the barrel strategy. But then again, who expects competency from any recent American administration, most especially this one?

The previous one, while not great, was reasonably competent.
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