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US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by spwa4 »

piva00 wrote: post #104
dizlexic wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends, I just want to point out that the US is a net exporter of Oil. They also secured oil imports from Venezuela while at the same time in 2 strokes seriously hurt Chinese oil imports. If the goal was to hurt China / BRICS and kneecap Iran it seems on point. It's always hard to predict how the USA will vote when "war" is happening.

> If the goal was to hurt China / BRICS and kneecap Iran it seems on point. While also hurting Europe, South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, and many more. Very on point... It will hurt everyone, Americans included, oil is a global market, fertilisers are a global market, those are basic inputs for probably every single thing produced in the world. So now all of us around the globe have to pay the price for American I…

> It will hurt everyone, Americans included, oil is a global market, fertilisers are a global market, those are basic inputs for probably every single thing produced in the world.

Only because those countries choose for that to be the case. For example, Saudi Arabia and Russia don't do that. Local prices and export prices are different.

But the US, Canada, the Netherlands, and long list of other countries could make this crisis have zero effect on local prices. They choose to take every excuse to raise prices (in fact the Netherlands goes further: if sales tax on gas raises because prices raise, the amount of tax paid is kept constant if prices drop. So they artificially raise local gas prices. So if gas prices are low, tax on gas has at one point reached 72%), but it is fundamentally a government choice.

Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by miltonlost »

margalabargala wrote: post #83
toyg wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people live on manufacturing crisis after crisis in order to exploit the manic status that they generate. Why worry about how the midterms, if you can create a situation where elections cannot be held at all...? Yes, it sounds crazy right now, but a lot of things sounded similarly crazy 10 years ago, and here we are.

The US held elections during the Civil War. There is no crisis that would create a situation where elections "cannot be held". That is to say, if the current admin attempts to suspend elections, the legality of that and the magnitude of the reaction will be the same, crisis or no.

Account created Jan 6 2020. Now downplaying the current admin attempts.... hmmm.....

Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by jmward01 »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #80
bootsmann wrote: post #6

Noone could’ve seen this coming, how were they supposed to know that the strait of hormuz is so important!

This is very much a 'you break it, you buy it' situation. The US should be running destroyer screens for convoys a la WW2 today , yet AFAIK the US fleet is sitting hundreds of miles out of the Persian Gulf, within bombing range, outside of easy strike range.

Yes. I think the biggest issues though are:

- We likely don't have the assets to move the amount traffic that needs to get through

- We probably can't protect them perfectly (we don't have maritime supremacy) so ships will still take damage and that will stop the convoys pretty quickly

I suspect the escort ships would be fine though. They can defend themselves.

So if we did start them, they wouldn't continue for long until the economic pain was pretty massive and the cost of loosing ships was worth it.

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Post by gdulli »

lesuorac wrote: post #87
malfist wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no crisis in the US that results in canceled elections

We're talking about the same guy that sent a second slate of electors for the 2020 election. The same guy that told the government of Georgia to add 10,000 votes to his total so he'd win. The same guy that received 0 punishment for either action. Why wouldn't he try something for the mid-terms?

Well he and his people are far too stupid and incompetent to have come close to succeeding. While it's not great that there was no punishment, we should at least be thankful that they act on emotion and can only loosely follow playbooks for corruption from the past rather than write new ones for modern times.

Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by amelius »

toyg wrote: post #26
VK-pro wrote: post #7

One of the self-owns of all time. Triggering a global supply chain crisis right before midterms is bottom of the barrel strategy. But then again, who expects competency from any recent American administration, most especially this one?

These people live on manufacturing crisis after crisis in order to exploit the manic status that they generate. Why worry about how the midterms, if you can create a situation where elections cannot be held at all...? Yes, it sounds crazy right now, but a lot of things sounded similarly crazy 10 years ago, and here we are.

> Why worry about how the midterms, if you can create a situation where elections cannot be held at all...?

But they claimed "flawless victory".

Both things cannot be true at the same time.

Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by moi2388 »

ipaddr wrote: post #96
moi2388 wrote: post #13

Only more reason to finally get rid of the current Iranian regime and any and all of their military capabilities.

Unless you are sending ground troops that's not happening.

I think you underestimate how much Iranians hate their current regime..

Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by comrade1234 »

bootsmann wrote: post #74
chinathrow wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That piece of technological advance has gone mostly under the radar (!) so far The Ukraine would like to have a word.

It’s Ukraine, no “the”.

In many languages the article is necessary. I assume English is their second language.

Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by NickC25 »

sschueller wrote: post #5

These tankers aren't easily replaceable are they? As in it takes significant time to build them. Even if Trump's claims that the war will end shortly were true. Oil prices are guaranteed not coming down if many more of these ships are sunk.

Also, the amount of oil spilling into such a small area can't be good for the environment, can't be good for local marine life (if there is any), etc....

Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by CapricornNoble »

sys32768 wrote: post #34

An Iraqi security source said they think it was an Iranian boat rigged with explosives. If Iran does have underwater explosive drones, why would they boast about it and invite attacks upon that weapon and its deployment systems?

>why would they boast about it and invite attacks upon that weapon and its deployment systems?

To complicate adversary targeting priorities. If you have to shift your pre-planned bombing sorties away from, say, local Basij HQ buildings, it takes pressure off of the Iranian government. Assigning aircraft to find/fix/target/track/engage "underwater drone launch points" is probably like searching for a needle in a haystack given the size of Iran's coastline.

Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by lm28469 »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #80
bootsmann wrote: post #6

Noone could’ve seen this coming, how were they supposed to know that the strait of hormuz is so important!

This is very much a 'you break it, you buy it' situation. The US should be running destroyer screens for convoys a la WW2 today , yet AFAIK the US fleet is sitting hundreds of miles out of the Persian Gulf, within bombing range, outside of easy strike range.

> The US should be running destroyer screens for convoys a la WW2 today,

That's harder than bombing schools, goat herders or kidnapping the leader of the most corrupt country in the world, are you sure they can still pull it off, I'm starting to think even they know they cannot anymore.

After seeing the latest white house CoD style propaganda videos and Pete "Kafir" Hegseth speeches it's clear the people in charge completely lost it

> In After the Empire, written in 2001, Todd claimed that the reason for America’s “theatrical micromilitarism” was to prove that it was still an indispensable power in a post-USSR world. In his latest work, however, he revises this thesis, arguing that it would imply attributing rational intentions to Washington.13 The American liberal oligarchy is not driven by any clear project.

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2024/11/how-the-west-was-...

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