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Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by carlosjobim »

andrepd wrote: post #22

It's incredible how bad this keeps getting and how much they ignore formerly well-established UI principles in favour of "vibe design" and pseudoscientific "studies". What is the explanation for this? What is the reason that even the most well-funded companies in the world fuck this up so bad? At some point they resize the send button into a circle of comically huge proportions — eating even more space from the actua…

The executives at Google don't care about any of this stuff, they use iPhones.

They know that people are always going to buy Android phones no matter what they do to the system because "cheaper and more megabytes for the money" than iPhones.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by albedoa »

arewethereyeta wrote: post #92
hexomancer wrote: post #76

It's funny that the people who designed this monstrosity of a web page feel qualified enough to advice other people about design.

Who would be qualified enough to talk with you about new design trends then?those that design on your taste? Rarely, if ever, new design trends are liked by everyone. All in all, I think they are qualified enough.

> Who would be qualified enough to talk with you about new design trends then?

The person you are asking did not say anything about new design trends.

But anyway, if one is calling this page a monstrosity, then it seems in bad faith for you to ask that question on the same line where you call its designers "qualified enough".

Would you consider an answer that excludes anyone who thinks that these designers are qualified? Would you consider any answer that disagrees with your assessment, or have you already made up your mind?

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by sandeep1998 »

28304283409234 wrote: post #125
worldsavior wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're talking like Google isn't a ad company trying to keep you staring on your screen.

No see "today, people increasingly see their devices not as tools, but as extensions of themselves." We are merely catering to those needs. It is philanthropy really. A kindness. /s

XD

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by Octoth0rpe »

dieortin wrote: post #142
jameskilton wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the good things that came out of COVID was Google Docs suddenly getting a whole lot better. Why? Because Google engineers finally had to use their tools like the rest of us do, and found out very quickly that Google Docs on normal consumer internet connections sucked . Google as a company, and in many ways Silicon Valley as a whole, is designed around being a bubble that is ignorant of how the rest of the worl…

Pretty sure Google has used Docs internally since long before COVID.

"used Docs internally" is not the same as:

> on normal consumer internet connections

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by GoToRO »

bflesch wrote: post #120

How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? It is incomprehensible for me to live in such a big bubble with such a big paycheck and then spend zero brainpower on systems without graphics acceleration. This is extremely bad engineering and these engineers should be called out for it. It takes a special kind of person to deliver this and be proud of it. Once they made their millions at Google these engin…

You are just part of the problem. In which companies do engineers still have the final say? Almost none.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by jorams »

SlowAndCalm wrote: post #71
antonyh wrote: post #41

The 'send' example perfectly illustrates why I would find Material 3 hard to use - it makes it harder to write the message but easier to send. It's less usable.

I went through a few thoughts when seeing the design: - I do have trouble spotting the send button on the old design - Maybe just moving it to a similar position as the new design would help - I don't actually want it near the keyboard because I might accidentally tap it - There's plenty of space, why can't they just have a button that actually says 'send'?

The reason the send button on the old design is hard to see seems to me to be that it doesn't stand out in any way. The only difference to everything else on the screen is that it's blue instead of black, but the contrast isn't big and it's between two less important icons.

Here's a 30-second edit of the first picture that undoubtedly breaks material design guidelines, but also solves the problem without introducing any new problems: https://kappa.lol/7Zuuc8.png

The problem with a text button in a case like this is that the translation of "Send" is longer in most languages and even much longer some languages.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by lucianbr »

arewethereyeta wrote: post #92
hexomancer wrote: post #76

It's funny that the people who designed this monstrosity of a web page feel qualified enough to advice other people about design.

Who would be qualified enough to talk with you about new design trends then?those that design on your taste? Rarely, if ever, new design trends are liked by everyone. All in all, I think they are qualified enough.

Read the rest of the comment thread. It is obviously not a singular opinion, as you seem to think.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by asah »

"By making the Send button larger and more prominent, participants were able to spot the button four times faster."

By making the Send button larger and more prominent, participants were 4x more likely to accidentally press it.

Also, participants were given 2x less vertical space in which to create their content.

As a result of these studies, we enlarged the button another 2x in order to double the number of messages sent, while reducing the content until it was just 3 emojis on one line.

/s

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by 90s_dev »

We've been collectively designing GUIs for what 50 years now? Yet we're re-asking the same questions every decade, always starting from scratch. Do none of the Google engineers behind this remember the Compiz reaction to Windows 95 and subsequent Windows Vista overreaction?
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