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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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In Sweden, the big problem are grenades smuggled in vast quantities from the Balkans. Explosions tend to be vastly less precise than shootings and unintended victims are more of a rule than an exception.

Seems there have been 77 grenade explosions resulting in 9 fatalities in 6 years with grenades in Sweden. That doesn't seem like "vast quantities".

In neighboring countries the number is zero, and that sounds vastly preferable.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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And what, exactly, is the "elephant in the room"? If this is meant to be a dogwhistle about immigration, it seems appropriate to observe that many of the countries TFA compares Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

As someone who has lived in some of these countries in the past 10 years. Sweden is simply too nice to criminals. Police, laws... everything. Other countries have no tolerance for that.

Agree have family I'm Sweden. Its often said the crime deterrence is a factor of severity of punishment * probability of being caught. The jails in Sweden offer a decent standard of living. Where the offende is a refugee / immigrant they likely find it better than where they escaped.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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I've lived several months in an area considered to be one of the worst in Sweden, zero problems whatsoever. The standard for bad in Sweden is just pretty damn high.

Did you also experience bomb attacks? Apparently, there were over 100 bomb attacks in Sweden this year. Our Eastern European country has twice the size of Sweden's population, and we had zero bombs going off, possibly since the 90s, as I don't remember any. Gun violence is really low here too, we barely remember any that made the news. I'm sure that Sweden is a nice country to live in, I've visited it, seems great, b…

I live in an area where there has been gang related gun violence and bombings; there are no neighborhoods around here where I feel unsafe. No one is ignoring it but sadly the current affairs are being used as a political tool to remove freedoms and further far right agendas. I do not know where you are from but lets say; Romania they have done an amazing job the last 30 years their homicide rate per capita has at times managed to drop below our current levels.

The high standard means that there is actually still a functioning society there with stability, security and trust in police and government. While we do have problems with the money generated from drug trade and other crimes.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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While Sweden absolutely can be much stricter with background checks, in my experience in Scandinavia, y'all are racist jerks. I'm a brown guy who's grown up in North America their entire life, and day-to-day conversations with people there suck. There absolutely seems to be a mentality that if you don't fit a specific trope you can't be Swedish. No amount of token representation in Scandinavian TV will change that. T…

You are damned if you do, damned if you don't. I don't think there is a way to not be called racist once in a while any more. I could hide in the forest and we are still "all racist jerks", according to you, People love to project racism on others. But perhaps you can exemplify for us why we are all racist jerks, but you are not?

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Unfortunately everywhere in the Western world there seems to be denialism about this. And I'm actually legitimately afraid to actually voice that opinion in-person. I can vent here anonymously. But in the circles I'm in in San Francisco, I wouldn't dare suggest that certain migrants may not be compatible. There could personal, social, career impacts. You're automatically branded a xenophobe of some kind.

I feel in both my European countries I can voice with most anyone all the concerns I have. They share them for the most part but at least will be open to discuss if not. But with my American friends and colleagues I feel I could risk my reputation and have it affect my career. It’s sad to see really.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

#157

Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven't allowed illegal immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt... Legal immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.

Just because fascism works by its own definitions does not mean that fascism is good. Neither Hungary nor Slovakia are great places to live by most metrics, even for native born citizens.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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The title is all this site is willing to divulge to me. I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this?

They're not going to fix it because then nobody will vote for them. Besides, they can't fix it, they just needed a bogeyman and there isn't much to fix to begin with. All that you can do is educate and aim to reduce the gap with the next generation or to accept that your own culture isn't static.

Ask the Scottish how they feel about Sweden exporting its culture a while ago.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Yes, like the UK-Ruanda plan. Problem is that this very unethical (regarding the native population of the third country, especially if not very democratic). And has the risk that those countries make a business out of it

>And has the risk that those countries make a business out of it As opposed to the current state of things where migration is already a big business both legal and otherwise? Check how much money smugglers make. And the likes of Turkey and North Africa squeezing the EU for money to "prevent migrants crossing the Mediterranean". How's that working out?

And two times big business is better than once? Of course the current agreements have the same flaw.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Yes, because it is well know that Mohammad urged Muslims to create criminal gangs and start dealing drugs... Sorry, but what sort of stupid nonsense worldview do you have? There are certainly immigrants with non-western values and also immigrants who are criminals but why are you mixing these two demographics together? If anything the ones dealing drugs are likely to be the most westernized.

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