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The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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I’ve spent years of therapy trying to overcome my fear of talking to strangers. Mostly it just feels inappropriate and unwanted; like I would be intruding on people. I can talk to strangers when there’s an appropriate social context (e.g. clerks / service people). But lacking the right context, it feels deeply uncomfortable. Has anyone overcome this problem? Where would you go to interact with strangers–importantly w…

Hi! I did. This is what worked for me.

First: Work a job that is socially embedded. Restaurants, grocery stores, front desk retail, anything customer service related. Getting comfortable with people has a weird out-of-order solution where if your discomfort is visible, the interaction will sour; find something that forces a fix to the initial discomfort, like the jobs above. They'll act as a shim that'll let you bypass the initial anxiety.

Second: The emotions you wear on your face are what perpetuates a conversation. If you can find a reason--not act, not fake--to want to talk to someone, to learn about them, they will immediately, unconsciously pick up on it, and return that excitement. Conversely, if you don't trust someone, or think they don't want to talk to you, they wont want to talk to you, and they won't find you trustworthy, either. It's a counterinruitive, ready-fire-aim thing. You don't need to be perfect at this, you just need to be aware of it. People are excellent at vetting intentions.

Third: The idea that there's somewhere you can go that will make socialization easy is a farce. Interaction is "permitted" everywhere, and you can try it anywhere. Go for several short conversations instead of putting all your effort into one. You should be fishing for enthusiasm: if you get no effort back, then it is unwanted. Drop it and try again with someone else.

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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The replies to this comment illustrated it well, but yes, I would agree in general. It just gets tiring when you have to go do something to have a simple conversation. i.e, random convos in bars here are not a thing - or at least not comparable to e.g the east coast of America.

Don’t people go to bars to socialize??

I've been in bars all over the world, ranging from Tokyo to NYC to SF to now Seattle - with plenty of other cities in between.

If you'll pardon my french here: the PNW is the most clique-filled bar experience I have experienced worldwide and it's really very boring to deal with. You can make it work, but it winds up being more work than is ideal.

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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Not really, if the conversation is not going well then you just do your own thing that you would have done, if you hadn't have tried talking. I've had many fantastic conversations with people on planes and few meh ones, it's deffo worth putting a bit of effort in. where is the risk?

Some people don’t take the cue that you’re done talking, and will continue to try to talk to you for the entire flight. Combine that with the fact that some of us are uncomfortable overtly shutting someone down, so we are stuck with nodding and trying unsuccessfully to go back to reading our book.

good point,

I would just put on some headphones and read in that situation

I always have some noise cancelling headphones where ever I travel, great for reducing the noise of screaming kids and people trying to facetime

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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“Children are taught never to speak to unknown grown-ups, especially those regarded by their parents as untrustworthy.” Not my kids, they talk to anyone. When they ask me a question about someone I encourage them to ask the person. When the want something I encourage them to ask (respectfully). They always, always get nice responses and I get friendly conversations afterwards. Think of yourself, how would you react?…

I would react politely to your children and, if further engaged by you, continue to converse with you politely. I would also genuinely, deeply, and silently dislike every second of the forced interaction. 99.999% of people might react the same, but that doesn’t mean we all feel the same.

If you don’t want to talk to them, why not just say so? “I’m afraid I’m busy, I hope you understand” or “Excuse me, but I would prefer to mind my own business”. They might not love the response, but no sane person would continue the conversation after that.

Also, out of sheer curiosity, may I ask why you would dislike the interaction?

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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Sounds like you need to work on your disengagement skills.

Disengagement works because not everyone out there is trying to talk to everyone. If you change cultural norms such that every child should talk to strangers a lot, it'll be tiring to have to do this "disengagement" 10 times a day.

And the risk for this happening… Do you think it’s a big risk? These days, a lot of kids just engage with their smartphone instead.

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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The cultural differences about this are vast even in the United States. In the part of the Midwest where I grew up, strangers would come up and offer compliments about your outfit or car, make friendly small talk in the grocery store checkout line, or at least offer a quiet "hi" and smile when passing on the sidewalk. In the Pacific Northwest, we try not to even look at each other when passing, although people are fr…

The hej thing is common in some Scandinavian countries, but people don't strike up conversations with each other nor do they make new friends easily.

'Hei-hei' here where I live in Norway. Or 'God morgen'. Or more likely 'morgen-morgen', which is pronounced something like morn-morn. Much like in England where we might say 'Morning!' with a smile.

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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The hej thing is common in some Scandinavian countries, but people don't strike up conversations with each other nor do they make new friends easily.

'Hei-hei' here where I live in Norway. Or 'God morgen'. Or more likely 'morgen-morgen', which is pronounced something like morn-morn. Much like in England where we might say 'Morning!' with a smile.

> Or 'God morgen'

pronounced goo-morn in Danish, and written godmorgen :D

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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This is pretty on the nose for me. My wife and I moved from a Chicago suburb to Portland about 5 years ago. The amount of effort required just to strike up a convo with strangers (and keep it going) was pretty significant. We especially missed how acceptable giving people "the business" (i.e. harmless joking or razzing to lower someone's guard and make them feel comfortable) was so common where we grew up. You could…

Giving people shit, in a friendly way, is part of the Midwestern use of irony. They like to say the opposite of what they mean when it's assumed to be understood that is the case. "You're getting here soon, right?" "Nah, I'm stopping at a spa in Gary, Indiana." Something like that. Those who aren't used to it often don't appreciate it.

100%. That is a perfect example and I'm looking forward to more of it when we move back. In addition to irony, there's also exaggeration. My wife thinks it takes me longer than normal to tie my shoes, so whenever we're about to go somewhere she'll say something like "We're leaving in 20 minutes so you should have started putting your shoes on 10 minutes ago."

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We had a house in Villa Park. I grew up in Tinley Park.

Orland Park, represent! :)

Nice! I spend most of my adolescence at Orland Square. Tinley Park folks went to Orland to shop and Orland Park folks went to Tinley to buy a car.

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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This matches my personal experience. When I moved from Boston to Austin it was like night and day how different interactions with strangers were. Strangers in Boston kept to themselves and when you approached them it would have an air of “what are you trying to sell me?” in which their feet were already pointed away from you and they were prepared to keep walking. On the other hand, Texans are far more open to speak…

Density is a factor in this for sure, but I think weather/climate is also a factor. It gets cold in Boston in the winter for example, and in the PNW it's raining and on the cooler side for a good chunk of the year. In those climates people tend to want to get back indoors quickly and not loiter around, and that carries over even into the warmer months.

Try going to Minnesota or Wisconsin. People are extremely friendly and want to chat. It’s almost a cliche.

I think it’s something other than weather.

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