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The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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I imagine it's because if the conversation is terrible you're still stuck together for potential hours. It's high risk medium reward.

Not really, if the conversation is not going well then you just do your own thing that you would have done, if you hadn't have tried talking. I've had many fantastic conversations with people on planes and few meh ones, it's deffo worth putting a bit of effort in. where is the risk?

Some people don’t take the cue that you’re done talking, and will continue to try to talk to you for the entire flight. Combine that with the fact that some of us are uncomfortable overtly shutting someone down, so we are stuck with nodding and trying unsuccessfully to go back to reading our book.

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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I find a good book or movie makes the plane ride feel shorter. Talking to the person next to me so often ends up in an awkward situation when the conversation becomes tedious and boring, but it would be rude to just stop talking to them and move on to my book. If I dont start talking to the person, I don’t have that problem.

In the context of chatting with strangers rather than someone you know, I’ve never felt it awkward for the conversation to trail off and both parties move on to something else.

It happens. Some people don’t take cues and will continue to talk to you forever.

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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The PNW can get to talking eventually but it’s like pulling teeth before it catches. Maybe a better analogy is starting a lawnmower.

I’m inthe PNW and feel this is largely situation dependent. Was camping in Oregon last weekend and was surprised by how many different groups of campers were conversing at length with one another. When on/around my boat at the marina it’s common for folks to chat openly. In my neighborhood it’s very much the opposite and there’s little/no eye contact and chatter.

The replies to this comment illustrated it well, but yes, I would agree in general. It just gets tiring when you have to go do something to have a simple conversation.

i.e, random convos in bars here are not a thing - or at least not comparable to e.g the east coast of America.

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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The cultural differences about this are vast even in the United States. In the part of the Midwest where I grew up, strangers would come up and offer compliments about your outfit or car, make friendly small talk in the grocery store checkout line, or at least offer a quiet "hi" and smile when passing on the sidewalk. In the Pacific Northwest, we try not to even look at each other when passing, although people are fr…

No one is friendly in urban areas because you are getting accosted / hustled so often. If a stranger tries to talk to me I have to give an ocular pat down and risk assessment before engaging beyond a skeptical glance.

> No one is friendly in urban areas

Yes, this is mostly an urban/rural divide. I've lived in several small New England towns where people talk to each other in public all the time.

But I've also lived in Boston. And I've learned that if a stranger strikes up a conversation in Boston, there are two possibilities:

1. They need directions or emergency aid.

2. Or they have absolutely no grasp of appropriate social norms, and I am about to have a deeply weird conversation. At best.

In theory, I am perfectly happy to speak with strangers on the subway. In practice, I do not wish to hear about how lizard people rule the world.

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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They say talking to strangers helps you work on social anxiety, and that people really won't remember you, but I get the impression from this thread that people will remember you for the rest of their lives and tell all their friends about how weird you were.

It takes alot to be memorably weird, no unhinged political takes, conspiracy theories, don't start crying, don't talk about your near death experiences.

Anyway what does it matter? Those all happened to me, I suspect they're living their lives indifferent of my opinion.

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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I wish more people would talk to me on trains planes or wherever else. If ever something like that does happen it usually really brightens my day. You might ask why I don't start such conversations. I simply do not think im capable. I wish I were, but ive spent a great deal of stress trying to get myself to talk freely at things like conferences, parties, etc. I just can't do it. This affliction I think is more and m…

Try the book The Charisma Myth, it has some great exercises to help you do stuff like talking to strangers. You have to do the exercises though There is stuff there that can help you get people to talk to you without initiating the conversation yourself That book changed my life

I have the same issue as GP, and the Charisma Myth book has sat, unread, in my bookshelf for a year. I also bought the audiobook with my Audible trial, still unlistened. Self help books have a tendency to feel hollow and unsatisfying by the time you reach the end, but I really wish I could stop overthinking the process of striking a chat with a complete stranger. I am quite pleasant and I believe witty once the conversation gets going, but by God, I couldn't start a conversation to save my life.

I'll try to read that book, hopefully I'm not let down by the hope there is a social magic trick I have never been privy to.

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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I doubt gregarious people need more data to cold start social interactions (I certainly don’t) Similarly, non social people aren’t that way because the data suggests it’s better, and data isn’t going to change that Rather some mix of biological differences in attention, cognitive arousal styles and environmental conditioning determine sociality The more interesting question to me is “what are the environmental and st…

I very much agree. I would consider myself to be more asocial than average, though certainly not aggressively so. The types of sentiments expressed in this article are usually written by very social people who see conversation as some inherent good. I think you are in the minority of such social butterflies in terms of checking that assumption.

For an example, take this quote:

> But that is not the whole story. In mid-life and beyond people can still experience the joy of a random meeting, however short, which somehow touches a nerve.

What exactly is the joy? Is that joy not something I can obtain more easily via the “traditional” social channels I’ve cultivated over the course of my life thus far? And won’t a social interaction in one of those channels have a much greater chance of lasting positive impact given that person is more likely to be someone I interact with regularly, enabling me to build off that initial interaction over time?

Moreover, what’s the downside of the encounter? I suspect a lot of asocial people like myself strongly dislike the much more common awkwardness and self-doubt that accompany a social interaction that goes poorly. Is enduring a lot of that really worth the few instances where you feel a fleeting sense of connection?

Putting effort into that social interaction also means I will have less energy to put into other pursuits that mean more to me: my marriage, playing piano, reading, career goals, riding my bike, existing friendships, etc.

I don’t disagree with the article necessarily, but I do think it’s mostly an “ode to random social encounters” more than a serious attempt to make a case for why people not predisposed to doing so should try to have more random social encounters.

The questions you ask in your last two sentences really get at the interesting stuff. But of course they are too nuanced and complex to answer in any comprehensive, generalized way within an easily digestible length.

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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post #74

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No one is friendly in urban areas because you are getting accosted / hustled so often. If a stranger tries to talk to me I have to give an ocular pat down and risk assessment before engaging beyond a skeptical glance.

> No one is friendly in urban areas Yes, this is mostly an urban/rural divide. I've lived in several small New England towns where people talk to each other in public all the time. But I've also lived in Boston. And I've learned that if a stranger strikes up a conversation in Boston, there are two possibilities: 1. They need directions or emergency aid. 2. Or they have absolutely no grasp of appropriate social norms,…

Dead set, you should give the weirdos a go. If you listen to them, they'll often have some genuine wisdom, and they usually don't mind if you laugh at their crazy theories or disagree.

Re: The vital art of talking to strangers (2021)

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The cultural differences about this are vast even in the United States. In the part of the Midwest where I grew up, strangers would come up and offer compliments about your outfit or car, make friendly small talk in the grocery store checkout line, or at least offer a quiet "hi" and smile when passing on the sidewalk. In the Pacific Northwest, we try not to even look at each other when passing, although people are fr…

I think it’s a sunlight thing
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