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Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Because the biggest concern is still Chinese ownership of US customer data. Not just the addictive features within the app.

I'm not any more comfortable with Facebook owning that data than the Chinese government. We've already seen the harm that comes from that.

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US Tech firms products are largely banned in China, closing off a market of 1bn+ - why should Chinese firms have unfettered access to the US?

Because China is not a good example to follow. It is a dystopian state with full control of what their citizens have access to. Why would you want to have your government to choose the apps for you?

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Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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The fact that this even got this far really shows that young people don't vote.

We just had record youth turnout for a midterm election. On the way to his 18 point winning margin, bill sponsor Marco Rubio won the majority of the 30-44 vote. He won a healthy 41% of the Zoomer vote too: https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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No, it doesn't. Truth Social isn't a social media company. > (3) SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANY.—The term ‘‘social media company’’— (iii) has more than 1,000,000 monthly active users for a majority of months during the preceding 12 months;

Do bots count as "users" in this context?

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Because China is not a good example to follow. It is a dystopian state with full control of what their citizens have access to. Why would you want to have your government to choose the apps for you?

Western countries have always had trade restrictions on physical trade, why is digital trade different?

because digital assets have a fundamental difference with material ones.

I'm referring to how digital assets can be owned non-exclusively, i.e. we can both have the same data.

In contrast material (or physical) assets are exclusive. Either I have it xOR you do, we cannot both own the same thing.

Stocks (and other sophisticated goods) are interesting because they mean we each own a fraction of something, even when that object cannot actually be easily split. But notice how there's still a sense of exclusivity; the same stock cannot be owned by multiple people at the same time.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Seems like a good way to lose young voters. Anyone aggrieved by this would move on to the next social fad and forget that TikTok even exists as quickly as they forgot #kony2012 three months later. And my guess is that they're not exactly enthusiastic participants in the electoral system anyway.

> And my guess is that they're not exactly enthusiastic participants in the electoral system anyway. Gen Z voters were the driving force giving the Democrats the best midterm results in decades.

Do we actually know that for sure now? It would be hugely newsworthy if young voters finally actually showed up in large numbers. People have made this claim ever since Obama's first term and it's usually not actually panned out in the data.

(edited to add: I don't support banning TikTok. This is actually a free speech issue. I didn't like it when Trump did it by executive fiat and I don't like it now. If the content there is truly that corrosive, implement punitive measures short of a full ban. The bar has to be much higher than "I don't like it" for the government to fully censor something.)

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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if you believe China is a dystopian state why would a Chinese tech product that isn't even allowed in it's international form within China not itself "dystopian" imo the most dystopian thing about TikTok is the fact that China intentionally exports a highly addictive product that they don't allow their own people to use

Why ban TikTok by name and not by legislating away the specific bad things it does? I don't see anything in this legislation that would affect Instagram Reels or YouTube Shorts, both of which are using their own engagement-focused algorithm for recommending content. If being addicting is the reason we don't like TikTok, then why are we OK with it when a domestic company does it? Because Facebook lobbyists don't want…

This legislation does not ban TikTok by name. It:

> [prohibits] all transactions from any social media company in, or under the influence of, China, Russia, and several other foreign countries of concern.

(After a quick read of the bill, it sounds like it may also ban VK. Although, it is already sanctioned.)

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Great start.

The digital crack cocaine that TikTok is, was already under extensive investigation and will inevitably be either banned in the US on the grounds of national security or heavily fined to the point where they have to leave the US.

The fines for repeat offenders should also be in the billions, applying to all social networks worth over $1BN if it is enough for them to take user privacy seriously.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban? I'm really hoping this doesn't become a reality because if it does, we will end up with partitioned internet and stagnation. People often forget that the US companies are foreign entity for most of the worlds population and with the WikiLeaks revelations we know for a fact that the US government has access to the data of American tech compani…

US Tech firms products are largely banned in China, closing off a market of 1bn+ - why should Chinese firms have unfettered access to the US?

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Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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"TikTok is digital fentanyl that’s addicting Americans, collecting troves of their data, and censoring their news." Is the conclusion that all forms of digital fentanyl should be banned or just Chinese ones? Because the reality is there's nothing too exceptional about TikTok's underlying algorithms. Will lawmakers be willing enact legislation against companies marketing similar "digital fentanyl" but that are America…

Exactly. this seems like a boon to the Meta flavor or digital fentanyl

Meta at least answers to the United States.

Congress could easily introduce data privacy legislation.

Fuck TikTok.

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