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Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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flobosg wrote: post #95
djur wrote: post #29

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What do you see as the main similarities? I don't really feel like the Beasties' early rock sounds were that much closer to RATM than, say, Run-DMC or even Schoolly D's "Signifying Rapper". The Anthrax collaboration version of "Bring The Noise" might be even closer, but it was released after RATM's debut was recorded.

Anthrax released “I’m The Man” in 1987, which could be considered rap metal.

In full agreement, i feel like they already explored that sound before rage took it to a new and more commercially successful/influential level.

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alrs wrote: post #92
bentt wrote: post #62

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In 1991? Who?

Staying entirely in the '80s, early rap-rock would be the Clash, Time Zone and Tom Tom Club. Mid period would be RUN-DMC/Aerosmith and the Beastie Boys. Later would be Age of Chance, Pop Will Eat Itself, and World Domination Enterprises. You could probably give Big Audio Dynamite an honorable mention.

Anthrax?

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benbristow wrote: post #146
pmarreck wrote: post #134

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I’m sorry about the people you knew, truly. But I disagree with the argument you gave afterwards about “anyone who cares about other humans get vaccinated” because the vaccine does barely anything to stop the spread. Even Pfizer themselves admitted they never even tested that statement before they rolled out the jabs. https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/pfizer...

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bheadmaster wrote: post #7

Funny how fame changes people. Started out as a gang of activists, rapping about social justice and all the equality stuff - ended up throwing tantrums for not receiving special treatment for being rock stars: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/tom_...

Wow, publicly calling out the restaurant right out of the gate and then asking for a private conversation when public opinion turned against him? And from his description, they were turned away because they kept harassing the doorman after initially being told (legitimately from the sounds of it) that the place was full. I dunno what it's like in Seattle but where I'm from, if you start arguing with security before you're even inside the door, you aren't getting in no matter how quiet the place is. What a dick.

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benbristow wrote: post #146
pmarreck wrote: post #134

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I’m sorry about the people you knew, truly. But I disagree with the argument you gave afterwards about “anyone who cares about other humans get vaccinated” because the vaccine does barely anything to stop the spread. Even Pfizer themselves admitted they never even tested that statement before they rolled out the jabs. https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/pfizer...

> because the vaccine does barely anything to stop the spread

We don't know that. They never released any statistics from North Korea and even if they do, it'd be quite questionable.

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pr0zac wrote: post #73
throw_m239339 wrote: post #32

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Or Run DMC and Aerosmith with "Walk this way" produced by none other than Rick Rubin which role in the emergence of hip hop is extremely underated, as he one of the founder of most famous hip hop label, Def Jam.

Rick Rubin is pretty well known to anyone with even a basic history of hip hop I think? Like dude is referenced in 99 problems, one of the most popular hip hop songs of all time. I only sort of follow hip hop and I immediately knew who you were talking about, I have to hope people that care deeply about the topic know dude matters?

I can guarantee you a lot of younger hiphop listeners have never heard of Rick Rubin. Russel Simmons? sure.

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bentt wrote: post #62
Sporktacular wrote: post #53

Great band but these articles always need to talk up the originality or uniqueness of a given band when they just don't need to. Rage against the machine came at the right time, had/have great energy, technical skill, an important message etc. all of which make for a great piece. But mixing metal and hip hop in some new way? There were a dozen big name acts at the time doing exactly that.

In 1991? Who?

Urban Dance Squad.

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pdonis wrote: post #124
blindriver wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of RATM since the early 90s, but I don't think that "A brand new band mixing metal and hip hop like no one had done before" is quite true. My understanding is that the music scene in LA had a lot of bands like this. I believe the band Downset pre-dates them, and they had a big hit called "Anger". I only wish they had a bigger impact in politics. For all of their incredible songs, almost nothing c…

> I only wish they had a bigger impact in politics. They have--just not the impact I suspect you are thinking of. The political impact of RATM and similar bands is to make "protesting against the system" into a brand. That means that people who feel that they should be protesting against the system don't think they have to do the hard work of figuring out what is actually wrong with the system and how to fix it. They…

> They just think, oh, if I want to protest against the system, all I need to do is listen to this band!

I am not sure if people who this would protest under any circumstances.

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ninjin wrote: post #145
at-fates-hands wrote: post #115

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When that first Body Count album came out, it was like a nuke going off across the country and huge wake up call for anybody who didn't know what was going on routinely in South Central and surrounding areas with the LAPD and the black community. Weirder still was when Rodney King happened you had a whole bunch of suburban white parents who were shocked at what happened. I remember myself and all my friends were like…

Body Count really was and is something special. I discovered them far later than I discovered Rage, but they really are putting out gems even now with “No Lives Matters” [1] in 2017 and their take on Ice-T’s “Colors” in 2020 [2]. Apparently there is a new album in the works and I certainly hope they will continue putting out excellent music and social commentary of a kind you otherwise would only see coming out of hi…

I listened to Body Count in the 90s and then rediscovered them a few years ago when their remake of Institutionalized was recommended to me by Spotify. The lyrics on that one are hilarious.
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