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The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

#151

99% time I use YouTube the following way: I download the videos for archival, extract the audio tracks and listen to the in an audiobook app (which is good at adjusting the speed up to 3x and remembering positions I pause at in every track I listen) while commuting or doing chores. I think would consume up to 98% less content if I couldn't do it this way. It is also important to mention that the YouTube website itsel…

May I ask what audio book app you are using?

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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The real issue is company ownership is anti-democratic so we can't stop EA or activision from making games in fraudulent ways, so we'd need to have some ownership share over the company because it effects us politically. There's no other way then private power being co-owned with the rest of society, aka there are certain things private individuals and companies can't engage in. That is the only explanation because c…

> The real issue is company ownership is anti-democratic Wrong. Company ownership is perfectly democratic. > need to have some ownership share over the company because it effects us politically This happens now with share ownership. > AKA bobby kotick can say to his employee's "make games with drm" and the employee's must obey or be fired, that is the fundamnetal problem with capitalism in a nutshell. Every single ti…

This is written from a position of ignorance on European companies. There are successful midpoints between US style capitalism and communism. In Germany, for example, company boards (for large firms) have worker representation: https://www.worker-participation.eu/National-Industrial-Rela...

Heck - even functioning trade unions (not crippled as they are in the UK and US) provide a form of democratic check on individual companies.

The mistake is to paint this as a black or white choice, which tendency in the US is driven by hysteria media reporting of any policy which doesn't suit the needs of big business and rich elites.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

#154

I signed up for YouTube Premium because I wanted to watch some videos offline (on a flight). The download speed is awful. Now I use YouTube-dl when I want to watch videos offline. I still have Premium because ad-free is great!

I wish the media industry understood this and took action. A lot of what they call "piracy" is less about people not wanting to pay and more about the paid experience being on-par if not worse than the pirate experience.

I wholeheartedly agree. With video games, especially on Linux, it is far better to pay. On Steam, it was far easier to just pay and click Play than to pirate the gane and deal with Wine and getting the game to work. So I pay.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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So, if I don’t use Windows then I’m fine?

You'll be locked out of using your hardware's full potential, same goes for the software and media you use, too. Look at how Nvidia already locks nouveau developers out of using their GPUs' full power with cryptography.

There are already non mainstream OEMs you can buy hardware from that won't have this problem. System76, entroware, Purism (laptops+smartphones), Frame.Work (not only Linux laptops) and other Linux manufacturers are there to serve you. On the mobile space there is Purism, Pine64 and FairPhone. In our dystopian future, if you want ownership of a computing device you 'll need buy a nieche one.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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they can put fingerprints/watermarks into the analogue signal pretty easily if they're scared of that plus the analogue hole is disappearing rapidly (including the 3.5mm jack)

> plus the analogue hole is disappearing rapidly As long as you can aim a camera at a monitor or put a Bluetooth speaker next to a microphone the analogue loop hole will never disappear.

if that becomes the only avenue to rip a movie wide spread distribution of said movie with out permission will die

The idea that you would have lots of people getting up camera's and monitors to record a movie for distribution on the internet is laughable, and it would be a cam quality today so you would just end up with the early releases capture via someone setting in a theater which are generally poor quality

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

>I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfering with it Well if you've bought any client-server app over the last 23 years its a bit too late for computing freedom. They are locking down IO with trusted computing, there's been a 23+ year initiative to move to encrypted computing to take input/output control away from the user, this required the co-operation of hardware manufacturers. Windows 10 and…

Kind of insane that we’re turning our glorious revolution of cheap, general purpose computers back into TV’s in the name of protecting Big Copyright from a niggling amount of infringement.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

#158

99% time I use YouTube the following way: I download the videos for archival, extract the audio tracks and listen to the in an audiobook app (which is good at adjusting the speed up to 3x and remembering positions I pause at in every track I listen) while commuting or doing chores. I think would consume up to 98% less content if I couldn't do it this way. It is also important to mention that the YouTube website itsel…

For stuff I know I'll only listen to anyway, I usually download with "-f140" from the get-go. Saves bandwidth and storage space.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

#159
post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

We're not being a little too cute. If you are supposed to be able to access YouTube from Firefox or Chrome, then you are also supposed to be able to access it via youtube-dl, given all of those are HTTP clients. Saying otherwise would be setting a dangerous precedent of trying to legislate which HTTP clients are allowed and which are disallowed.

Surely things like Widevine show that that precedent has already been set? There are many online things that cannot be consumed by unblessed clients.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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post #77

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You gave me an idea if someone was to design a small display attached to a camera paired specifically to capture high quality video not just someone propping up a camera but where external light was blocked and the image size and camera are perfectly matched with an audio input as well they may have a market.

Why not skip the display completely and just go with a capture card? They are cheap and have none of the issues with lights and timings.

In theory, HDCP is supposed to prevent such use, by cryptographically verifying that the video isn't going to a device able to copy the media. Keys can be revoked by, say inserting a disc with a new set of revocations on it (alongside the media).

If you want to play such media, you have to license keys from Intel and show that your design is hostile to copying.

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