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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by CraneWorm »

irrational wrote: post #49
stuu99 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfering with it Well if you've bought any client-server app over the last 23 years its a bit too late for computing freedom. They are locking down IO with trusted computing, there's been a 23+ year initiative to move to encrypted computing to take input/output control away from the user, this required the co-operation of hardware manufacturers. Windows 10 and…

So, if I don’t use Windows then I’m fine?

as long as you pirate stuff you should be golden

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by ehvatum »

stuu99 wrote: post #47
r3muxd wrote: post #44

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I just wish something could be done about it all.

Unfortunately there is no freedom under capitalism mon capitan, it's part and part of private ownership. American copyright law grants companies state like powers to remove your rights and freedoms. The only way would be to either 1) revolt against capitalism or 2) try to reform copyright law. But as we all know the US is the most worshipful of capitalist ideology. Software coming under copyright allows companies to…

> Unfortunately there is no freedom under capitalism mon capitan

If only the government prevented you and I from exchanging goods and services, all our problems would be solved, says the Communist.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by Nextgrid »

BrianHenryIE wrote: post #60

I signed up for YouTube Premium because I wanted to watch some videos offline (on a flight). The download speed is awful. Now I use YouTube-dl when I want to watch videos offline. I still have Premium because ad-free is great!

I wish the media industry understood this and took action. A lot of what they call "piracy" is less about people not wanting to pay and more about the paid experience being on-par if not worse than the pirate experience.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by Nextgrid »

usrbinbash wrote: post #84

So, what is the point of this again? Even if they win, what would it remove? A website, which essentially just hosts some links to github. Within German jurisdiction only. So it would probably be up and running from a different provider within a day or two. And the repository itself would remain completely untouched anyway.

It's a war of attrition I guess. Wear down the enemy and anyone associated with them over time.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by hhmc »

jsmolka wrote: post #74
BrianHenryIE wrote: post #60

I signed up for YouTube Premium because I wanted to watch some videos offline (on a flight). The download speed is awful. Now I use YouTube-dl when I want to watch videos offline. I still have Premium because ad-free is great!

I did the same because I wanted to consume podcasts with the screen locked and not have adds. But the download speed for me is pretty good. Downloading a 2.5h podcast in 480p (which has the same audio quality as 1080p IIRC) takes less than half a minute.

Is there really not a audio only version of the podcasts your interested in. i.e. the classic rss feed of audio files.

It's such a shame what has happened to podcasts

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by donkeyd »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #127
dehrmann wrote: post #89

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> rent-extracting, and private entity? Google isn't really rent seeking with Youtube. It pays for distribution (even for demonetized content), site development, building recommendation systems, content moderation, accessibility though subtitles, etc. That doesn't mean they don't make money on it, that their decisions are always just, or what they promote is good for society, just that they add a lot of value beyond s…

I think maybe this was true five years ago, but at some point they decided to turn the screws and really ramp up advertising. I don’t follow their financials but I assume the site was self sufficient with far fewer ads than today, and that now they are extracting profit (rents) from their established behemoth. Of course I could be wrong.

> now they are extracting profit

So? They're a business, what do you expect?

The previous commenter was saying they're doing more than just hosting video, which is true. If you want to create a nonprofit for video hosting, go ahead, but don't blame YouTube for turning a profit.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by hutzlibu »

adhesive_wombat wrote: post #124
hutzlibu wrote: post #116

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Have you watched the video, this guy linked? It basically tries this, from the perspective of a linux beginner switching from windows. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30585462 It is 15 minutes, if nothing goes wrong and you know what you are doing. If something goes wrong and you are not native with the terminal - good luck.

The point was not that Linux is grandma-friendly as an OS, the point was that you do not necessarily have to delay installing it until you get a new computer, and may even negate the need for a new computer (certainly it's added years to various laptops in my orbit).

"Fifteen minutes to get up and running with Ubuntu or Mint if you stay focused."

This sounds to me like it is all easy and if it takes longer than 15 minutes, it is my fault for not being focused.

Well, as a matter of fact, I did install linux on various devices, dozen of times. And with my own customized manjaro install usb stick even in less than 15 minutes, with all my needed software up and running.

But I would never, ever tell anyone that he can expect a flawless install in 15 minutes. This is not realistic. It may happen, if you are lucky - but there are too many buggy drivers and compatibility issues and even official mainstream distros getting shipped with major open bugs, that this advise is just receipt for disapointement.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by usrbinbash »

Nextgrid wrote: post #134
usrbinbash wrote: post #84

So, what is the point of this again? Even if they win, what would it remove? A website, which essentially just hosts some links to github. Within German jurisdiction only. So it would probably be up and running from a different provider within a day or two. And the repository itself would remain completely untouched anyway.

It's a war of attrition I guess. Wear down the enemy and anyone associated with them over time.

By shutting down hosting a links-only-page, at one provider, in one country, and that only if they win in court and no higher court overrules the decision?

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by armada651 »

blibble wrote: post #114
seanp2k2 wrote: post #41

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So long as the https://www.eff.org/issues/analog-hole exists, piracy cannot be stopped. The ever-escalating arms race between content and consumers will go on, but there will be no victory, only collateral damage. If you have content people value but they aren't willing to pay for it, find out why. Maybe it's because you're charging too much, running too many ads, making it hard to cancel, or they just don't actually…

they can put fingerprints/watermarks into the analogue signal pretty easily if they're scared of that plus the analogue hole is disappearing rapidly (including the 3.5mm jack)

> plus the analogue hole is disappearing rapidly

As long as you can aim a camera at a monitor or put a Bluetooth speaker next to a microphone the analogue loop hole will never disappear.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by tartoran »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #125
Gareth321 wrote: post #98

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Not a good alternative for the big middle distribution of computer skills of the computer user base. Web browser only? Great. Highly skilled? Great. Everyone else? It can be a nightmare. Linus' Linux Challenge videos ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0506yDSgU7M ) provide excellent insight into the typical user experience for anyone beyond web browser only requirements and beneath administrator level. If you find you…

Whenever people mentioned Linux UX and computer knowledge I always feel like I should evangelize that Zorin OS is alive and well, now at Zorin Core 16. I use it for my parents, after they got fed up with Windows warnings and pop-ups for Windows 10 upgrade. I am not sure they full understand they are using Linux, they just assume it is a 'free' windows version.

Can you compare Zorin to Ubuntu?
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