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Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Post by Ancapistani »

panarky wrote: post #150
Ancapistani wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI, the word “illegal” doesn’t appear in the article. I’m not super familiar with all the intricacies of firearms law in Canada, but nothing there looks like it would be illegal to own there. A few are “restricted”.

The fact that the firearms seized by the RCMP is a pretty good indicator that they were not possessed legally.

I know nothing about this specific instance beyond that article, but there are tons of situations where law enforcement seizes property without a crime being committed.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Post by jagger27 »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #149
jagger27 wrote: post #56

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Name a single “liberal democracy” where any group would be permitted to occupy a capital city for three weeks uncontested. People really aren’t grasping how weak it makes Canada look that it allowed its own capital to be held in a chokehold so easily. There are people on the streets (and in this thread) demanding that elected officials resign while a strong majority of Canadians disagree with the “protest”.

In a liberal democracy the solution to an illegal protest is to move in and arrest and give citations. Using anti-terrorist powers to go around the courts and freeze bank accounts, revoke insurance, and do whatever else you want is not the solution.

Yep, that would have been nice two weeks ago.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Post by s1artibartfast »

jagger27 wrote: post #152
s1artibartfast wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a liberal democracy the solution to an illegal protest is to move in and arrest and give citations. Using anti-terrorist powers to go around the courts and freeze bank accounts, revoke insurance, and do whatever else you want is not the solution.

Yep, that would have been nice two weeks ago.

Never to late to actually fix a problem. Not sure how freezing a bank account will make them go anywhere

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Post by moistly »

hovercv wrote: post #128
panarky wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would ostensibly "nonviolent protesters" need an arsenal of illegal weapons? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blocka...

A former RCMP sniper, who was also present in other freedom convoy press conferences, says the weapons are being planted by an unknown group: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVXi8ZkJ9qM CBC will not report this.

Four people associated with the “Diaganon” movement are being prosecuted for conspiracy to murder RCMP. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/alberta/article-rcmp-...

Your homeboy is referring to the Ottawa protest, and makes his claim based on an “anonymous” tipster, e.g. he’s making shit up. Little wonder the media isn’t reporting his claim: it has no basis.

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Post by Wolfenstein98k »

pfisch wrote: post #120
retrac wrote: post #93

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Does their nationality, or who they represent, have any bearing on the logic of their argument? Don't forget where you are.

He claimed pro vax people like himself are the people protesting. How can he make such a loaded claim if a) he isn't protesting and doesn't know any pro-vaxxed protesters and b)he doesn't even live in Canada and couldn't be in the protest even if he wanted to.

I know people (online) who have attended, and I know various libertarian vaccinated people who support it.

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Post by xnx »

egberts1 wrote: post #27

Authoritarians are gonna authoritarian. Meanwhile US media are ignoring this because … it doesn’t fit with the elites’ current goal of dumbing down the audience to a compliant masses of their own choosing.

US media is definitely not ignoring this: "Right-wing media offers fawning coverage of Canadian truckers as it encourages similar protest in US" https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/09/media/right-wing-media-canadi...

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

EForEndeavour wrote: post #130
kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #122

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I don't think they can simply block the trade routes - surely people can route around it. In any case they protest against not being allowed into the country with their trucks, so either way the trucks wouldn't be running?

"They" just blocked The Ambassador Bridge for six days. This bridge transports 25% of the value of all Canada-US trade, coming out to roughly $360 million (presumably USD) per day: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/truckers-ambassador-b... The Ambassador Bridge links Detroit to Windsor across the Detroit River at the southern tip of the Ontario Peninsula. The closest US-Canada land crossing is the Blue Water Bri…

At least it can be rerouted. I don't know - I am not well versed in "protesting philosophy". The economic damage seems less serious, after all, the truckers could also just decide to not come to Canada to begin with. It is the mandates that make it difficult to enter that do most of the damage.

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Post by verelo »

edot wrote: post #46
verelo wrote: post #26

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Except it’s really not that anymore. Constant noise disruptions, gridlocking the city…it’s causing harm and the protests have damaged property, businesses and even gone as far to dance on the war memorials. These are not our best people.

You could describe MLK’s protests as disruptive, causing gridlock, damaging to businesses, etc. BLM protestors danced on and destroyed statues as well. The whole point of protest is to be disruptive. Being anti-vax is super stupid but protesting government mandates (or systemic racism, or anything) should be allowed.

You could for sure. I would argue that in all cases there reaches a point where you either accept you’re breaking the law to invoke change or you’re simply going to have to keep trying to invoke change while accepting others don’t yet agree with you. These folks seem to be dealing in the bucket of issues where they have mixed support, they’ve said their piece, it’s time to change tactic if they believe in their causes, or they risk losing any sympathizers.

Frankly I’m not one of them, but I’m sure there are people in Ottawa that might have supported them that now won’t.

There’s also the issue that they were protesting provincial issues to the federal government. For weeks. After being told this constantly, some packed up and moved to the provincial legislator in toronto. They’re just not very well organized and it’s suggesting they might not be the issue anyone wants to hitch onto.

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Post by fortuna86 »

TMWNN wrote: post #146
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #133

BLM riots were ok But honk honk honk is terrorism

Yes, I've been struck by how often the "constant honking = terrorism" claim has been made. It indicates that there is seemingly no better argument against what the truckers are doing; if there were, it would be cited instead.

I'm assuming you have never had an 18-wheeler parked outside your window honking non-stop. Terrorism isn't the right word, but that is disruptive beyond a protest.

Also "Honk Honk" has be co-opted my more extreme forces. I think we all know what "HH" stands for. But it has deniability, so it's perfect for them.

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Post by pfisch »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #155
pfisch wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He claimed pro vax people like himself are the people protesting. How can he make such a loaded claim if a) he isn't protesting and doesn't know any pro-vaxxed protesters and b)he doesn't even live in Canada and couldn't be in the protest even if he wanted to.

I know people (online) who have attended, and I know various libertarian vaccinated people who support it.

Are those online people vaccinated?
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