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Post by EngCanMan »

failedengineer wrote: post #95
EngCanMan wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/canada/2022/2/14/1_5780989.... Says here that 51% came from Canadians. I think 51% constitutes a majority.

Some 36,000 Canadian donors — about 39 per cent — are listed in the partial leak, apparently taken from U.S.-based platform GiveSendGo and posted online by a website devoted to disseminating leaked data. But that number is dwarfed by the number of American donors — some 51,000 or about 55 per cent. -- The 39% of the donors were local, and donated 51% of the money. 61% of donors were foreign, including the largest don…

Right, but you said “the majority of the money is foreign”, now you just reiterated that “51% of the money is local”.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Post by davidg109 »

As a Canadian, I think this is shameful and a despicable act by the "leader" of our country.

But let me get one thing straight, Justin Trudeau is no leader. His actions throughout his leadership have played off as one of legacy and self-preservation. This is the same person who corrected someone from saying "mankind" with "peoplekind" while extending dinner invitations to extremists.

Four Premiers (nearly half of them) have dismissed Justin's invoking of the Act that permits him to do such things as seize personal bank accounts. The opposition parties have essentially shat all over his lack of leadership and handling of this whole mess.

The Convoy is refusing to even speak to Justin and have asked for other leaders to step into his place. That in itself should say it all.

The Emergency Act itself is being invoked inappropriately, and is essentially Justin throwing his hands up in the air saying "I don't know what I'm doing, so let's try this!"

Really the way forward is for Justin to hang his head in shame and resign, and have a more capable leader installed without resorting to the "Emergencies" Act.

Sources: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/caution-must-be-taken-a...

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2002879555581

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Post by cryptica »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #41
cryptica wrote: post #2

I've been saying that this type of thing would be happening increasingly often. The government wants to control people's money. In the future, you will need a license to sell company shares and other private property and only the top 0.01% elite will be able to get such a license... The media will gaslight the public into thinking this is normal and 'for the public good' or to protect investors from making bad decisi…

I'm reliably confused by people who suggest cryptocurrencies aren't just a different kind of fiat.

There are two key differences:

- Supply of tokens is limited or otherwise is entirely predictable. In the cases where the supply is not limited, the rules for minting new coins are clear in the code and for the vast majority of cryptocurrencies, the inflation is a fixed number of tokens; meaning that the inflation expressed as a percentage drops over time so it has deflationary characteristics. If the annual inflation is 100K tokens per year, these 100k new tokens will represent a smaller percentage of the total supply as time goes by. This is very different from fiat currencies where inflation is expressed as a percentage. In fiat, 10% inflation this year represents A LOT MORE in dollar terms than 10% inflation represented 20 years ago.

- They do not rely on trusting a single government or entity. There are no single points of failure where somebody could steal funds or tamper with records.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Post by ls15 »

failedengineer wrote: post #60
verisimi wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently it also includes people who donated to their cause. A peaceful, non-violent cause. Wow. North Korea, look out!

The majority of the money was foreign. edit: and is not being funneled to the actual protestors. The people recently arrested tried to get some to use for legal fees. No bueno. yeah, yeah, no citation. Pretty hard to cite facebook posts that were removed because of subject matter.

Everyone blames foreign influence when it comes to protests:

Belarus:

https://www.wionews.com/world/belarusian-president-lukashenk...

> The leader on Wednesday said that "foreign influence" is causing the protests across the country. Roughly translated by Reuters, his words implied "There is no any unrest in the country. And you know, without the external force - there would have not been even that."

China:

> China Blames Foreigners for Trying to Foment Unrest

https://www.voanews.com/a/tehran-blames-foreign-influence-in...

> Tehran Blames Foreign Influence in Deadly Protests Over Gas Price Hike

Hong Kong:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/21/carrie-lam-suggests-foreign-...

> Carrie Lam suggests foreign influence in Hong Kong protests: ‘Perhaps there is something at work’

Kazakhstan:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-is-kazakhstan-claim...

> The government narrative changed, too. Nazarbayev’s handpicked president, Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, began pointing the finger at domestic and foreign “bandits and terrorists” and an internal plot to foment chaos.

Solomon Islands:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/26/solomon-island...

> Solomon Islands prime minister Manasseh Sogavare has blamed foreign interference over his government’s decision to switch alliances from Taiwan to Beijing for anti-government protests, arson and looting that have ravaged the capital Honiara for the past three days.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/09/world/asia/09china.html

Turkey:

https://atalayar.com/en/content/erdogan-calls-fight-against-...

> Recep Tayyip Erdogan, President of Turkey, urged all state agencies in a decree published in the Turkish Official Gazette to act urgently to counter "foreign influence and corruption of national culture" as well as to safeguard "moral and national values" in media and film productions.

> However, critics of the Turkish government believe that this could be for the purpose of increasing censorship.

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Post by ben_w »

Chris2048 wrote: post #140
ben_w wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A government? Making up laws? I think that’s literally called “a day ending in ‘y’”. You may or may not have a higher power to defend you against bad laws, depending on your constitution and/or your government being e.g. treaty bound to an institution equivalent to the European Court of Human Rights.

Create new, targeted laws quickly. per guidelines: Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize.

Even though your new caveat reduces the frequency by which governments do it, this is still absolutely how they operate. I’ve had to delay a meeting with my local MP back before I left the UK because they had an “emergency” debate (IIRC due to a court ruling that one of their laws was bad).

I genuinely, sincerely, can’t see how your new version is supposed to strengthen your comment — there just isn’t enough in it for my mind to see a different hill to climb: https://kitsunesoftware.wordpress.com/2021/12/27/arguments-h...

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Post by TMWNN »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #133

BLM riots were ok But honk honk honk is terrorism

Yes, I've been struck by how often the "constant honking = terrorism" claim has been made. It indicates that there is seemingly no better argument against what the truckers are doing; if there were, it would be cited instead.

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Post by jrochkind1 »

From https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/15/world/canada-protest...

> While the government has yet to present detailed orders, Chrystia Freeland, the deputy prime minister and finance minister, said on Monday that all online fund-raising services operating in Canada, regardless of where they are based, will have to register with Canada’s financial intelligence agency, which analyzes transactions for signs of money laundering or terrorist related activity.

> Not all of them, however, are likely to comply. After the protesters were cut off by GoFundMe, they moved their appeal to GiveSendGo. When an Ontario judge last week ordered the seizure of several million dollars raised through that platform, the online service defiantly posted on Twitter that “Canada has absolutely ZERO jurisdiction over how we manage our funds.”

> But Vanessa Iafolla, a criminologist and financial crime consultant in Halifax, Nova Scotia, who studies money laundering, said that the government has a way around that. There is a long chain of companies that process the payments for all fund-raising sites. That chain, she said, eventually leads to banks and other financial institutions in Canada that are, since the emergency declaration, now required to cut off any payments to and from crowdfunding sites that choose not to follow the new emergency regulations.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Post by phoobahr »

EngCanMan wrote: post #141
failedengineer wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some 36,000 Canadian donors — about 39 per cent — are listed in the partial leak, apparently taken from U.S.-based platform GiveSendGo and posted online by a website devoted to disseminating leaked data. But that number is dwarfed by the number of American donors — some 51,000 or about 55 per cent. -- The 39% of the donors were local, and donated 51% of the money. 61% of donors were foreign, including the largest don…

Right, but you said “the majority of the money is foreign”, now you just reiterated that “51% of the money is local”.

Here's some money to go f--k with another country's capital.

This is not a good look.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

jagger27 wrote: post #56
young_unixer wrote: post #17

Is there some point at which people will start rejecting this arbitrary and excessive exercise of power? This sets a dangerous precedent for a country that until now we considered a liberal democracy with freedom and respect for individual rights. I wonder if we're all headed to a point where state control and erosion of freedom are widely accepted by the public in our western democracies.

Name a single “liberal democracy” where any group would be permitted to occupy a capital city for three weeks uncontested. People really aren’t grasping how weak it makes Canada look that it allowed its own capital to be held in a chokehold so easily. There are people on the streets (and in this thread) demanding that elected officials resign while a strong majority of Canadians disagree with the “protest”.

In a liberal democracy the solution to an illegal protest is to move in and arrest and give citations.

Using anti-terrorist powers to go around the courts and freeze bank accounts, revoke insurance, and do whatever else you want is not the solution.

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Post by panarky »

Ancapistani wrote: post #127
panarky wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would ostensibly "nonviolent protesters" need an arsenal of illegal weapons? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blocka...

FYI, the word “illegal” doesn’t appear in the article. I’m not super familiar with all the intricacies of firearms law in Canada, but nothing there looks like it would be illegal to own there. A few are “restricted”.

The fact that the firearms seized by the RCMP is a pretty good indicator that they were not possessed legally.
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