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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by [deleted] »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #84
3grdlurker wrote: post #68

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What do you mean by they don’t provide separate Apple accounts? You sign up for an Apple ID, you don’t wait for it to be provided to you. For example my employer doesn’t provide a work Github account… but while I have the option to use my personal one, I can also sign up for a separate one. Or do you mean to say that they can detect when an employee tries to sign up for a second account under the same personal info,…

> For example my employer doesn’t provide a work Github account… but while I have the option to use my personal one, I can also sign up for a separate one. Apologizing for being the Well Actually Guy, but GitHub's terms of service include the line "One person or legal entity may maintain no more than one free Account". If your employer doesn't provide a work account for you or use Enterprise GitHub, then technically…

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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by cercatrova »

tjpnz wrote: post #109
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #92

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I wish I could go back in time and tell a younger version of myself the steps needed to work at a FAANG. I unfortunately never had the right guidance to get there and hopefully my kids one day will. I can’t complain as things worked out —- but still. I see these employee issues pop up from time to time and I guess I just don’t understand it. I’m not trying to be cruel to the people speaking out. Just I truly don’t un…

>Ungodly money. Based on my own experience (albeit outside the US) the salaries don't differ much from their non-FAANG counterparts at the top of the market.

But in the US, they do differ, by quite a huge margin. See levels.fyi if you really want to know the true US rates that big tech commands.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by cercatrova »

bryceacc wrote: post #138
hvocode wrote: post #131

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Stop spreading misinformation. People have always had the ability to create work-specific accounts for use on corporate devices. I’m shocked that it’s not common knowledge that corporate devices are NOT yours, and you basically cede all rights to data on and usage of the devices. Never use a work device for non-work purposes unless you are fine with those non-work activities being 100% visible to your employer. I kno…

It is a fact that many people "live on" their work devices as if they are their personal devices. I havent ever heard that be a requirement though, it just happens to be the way people use it

Sure, but then if something bad happens to their personal side such as a corporate remote wipe, well, they reap what they sow.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by Ekaros »

3grdlurker wrote: post #68
plorg wrote: post #60

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Depends what "promotes" means. They don't provide separate Apple accounts for employees, so among other things, if you don't link your personal account to your work phone you're either paying twice for any services or working with a hampered phone.

What do you mean by they don’t provide separate Apple accounts? You sign up for an Apple ID, you don’t wait for it to be provided to you. For example my employer doesn’t provide a work Github account… but while I have the option to use my personal one, I can also sign up for a separate one. Or do you mean to say that they can detect when an employee tries to sign up for a second account under the same personal info,…

My employers have made AD-account for me. For explicitly use for work. I don't see no reason why Apple shouldn't have similar work account by default inside their own systems. Not having one seems like failure of corporate processes.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by my123 »

nradov wrote: post #62
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #53

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As GDP's go, Apple is the 8th largest country on earth by market cap. I know this is a bad equivalency, but they have VASTLY outsized influence with those 80,000 employees because of the wealth they generate. With recent moves like Walmart creating in-house health care options, and Salesforce offering to move people out of Texas because of their abortion laws, our late-stage capitalism is morphing into the cyberpunk…

Comparing GDP to market capitalization is meaningless. If you want to make a useful comparison then GDP is more akin to gross profit.

Revenue, not gross profit.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by 3grdlurker »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #84
3grdlurker wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by they don’t provide separate Apple accounts? You sign up for an Apple ID, you don’t wait for it to be provided to you. For example my employer doesn’t provide a work Github account… but while I have the option to use my personal one, I can also sign up for a separate one. Or do you mean to say that they can detect when an employee tries to sign up for a second account under the same personal info,…

> For example my employer doesn’t provide a work Github account… but while I have the option to use my personal one, I can also sign up for a separate one. Apologizing for being the Well Actually Guy, but GitHub's terms of service include the line "One person or legal entity may maintain no more than one free Account". If your employer doesn't provide a work account for you or use Enterprise GitHub, then technically…

The problem with that is when you sign a work contract with your employer, there's typically a clause there that also says something along the lines of, "whatever uses you may have of company resources becomes the property of the company".

So clearly, there can be a delineation of personal vs. corporate entities there if I don't elect, for example, to use my personal Github account versus my work Github accout, which I signed up for using my company email address. If under that scenario, the company cannot claim ownership over my personal email account, then clearly my person is not the same legal entity as my employer and I can keep both free accounts without violating Github's T&C, isn't that correct?

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by blitzar »

fenomas wrote: post #142
hvocode wrote: post #131

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Stop spreading misinformation. People have always had the ability to create work-specific accounts for use on corporate devices. I’m shocked that it’s not common knowledge that corporate devices are NOT yours, and you basically cede all rights to data on and usage of the devices. Never use a work device for non-work purposes unless you are fine with those non-work activities being 100% visible to your employer. I kno…

My dude, I am neither the author nor the quoted source of the article I linked. Dial it down a notch hey? Also, your other comments are pretty extensively addressed in the same article.

No, but you have cited an article and source that has been proven to be incorrect on the topic. You went to the effort to find said piece of information but skipped the next search result on google where tons of apple employees say 'nahh thats bullshit' 'yeah you can, but you dont have to, most managers tell you not to and only an idiot would do that'

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by blitzar »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #139
dehrmann wrote: post #129

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I think Apple knows you're not going out and buying an Android device over this.

No, but it puts-off people from considering Apple as a potential employer. I'm not a member of any notable minority group so I'm not really affected, but if a female colleague asked me their opinion of Apple as an employer then I'd point them to articles like this.

> No, but it puts-off people from considering Apple as a potential employer.

I highly doubt apple will lose any sleep over not handing you or the 'female colleague' you cite a 6/7 figure salary each year.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by blitzar »

saimiam wrote: post #149
ssijak wrote: post #140

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You should not have personal stuff on a work phone in the first place.

But say you do, would you delete personal stuff prior to giving your device to your corporate peers?

> But say you do,

Well take this moment as a reminder, that is their property you are storing your very private information on and thus it is now their very private information.

Delete it now, dont put any more on

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by blitzar »

ALittleLight wrote: post #76
lowkey_ wrote: post #8

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That's just there for the sympathetic headlines — she deleted Google Drive as well, and we can all easily imagine what that suggests. I think a good rule as an employee is "if instructed to hand over your phone as part of an investigation, don't delete stuff before doing so."

I would just add "without expecting to get fired" to that rule. I'd delete private or incriminating things regardless of what the company told me.

And you would do so knowing that it would be cause to fire you. Perfectly reasonable, actions have consequences.
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