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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by dehrmann » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 6:48 AM UTC

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #139

dehrmann wrote: post #129

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I think Apple knows you're not going out and buying an Android device over this.

No, but it puts-off people from considering Apple as a potential employer. I'm not a member of any notable minority group so I'm not really affected, but if a female colleague asked me their opinion of Apple as an employer then I'd point them to articles like this.

> No, but it puts-off people from considering Apple as a potential employer.

I'm already put-off my its culture of secrecy.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by fenomas » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 6:56 AM UTC

hvocode wrote: post #131

fenomas wrote: post #22

To the many people coming here to comment about why she had personal apps on a work phone: Some Apple employees are reportedly required to link their personal iCloud with their work account/devices. https://www.theverge.com/22648265/apple-employee-privacy-icl...

Stop spreading misinformation. People have always had the ability to create work-specific accounts for use on corporate devices. I’m shocked that it’s not common knowledge that corporate devices are NOT yours, and you basically cede all rights to data on and usage of the devices. Never use a work device for non-work purposes unless you are fine with those non-work activities being 100% visible to your employer. I kno…

My dude, I am neither the author nor the quoted source of the article I linked. Dial it down a notch hey? Also, your other comments are pretty extensively addressed in the same article.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by nielsbot » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 6:59 AM UTC

da_big_ghey wrote: post #61

devwastaken wrote: post #33

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People are okay with that because they're in a position to not have to care. Perhaps apple is correct in that this was because of deleting things they were not supposed to - but individuals advocating for a culture of "apple can do whatever because it's a company" is nodding along to union busting talking points. Tech sector has been very fortunate in the past to not have to unionize, but now as the workforce grows e…

If I am in top 1% worker, and if union is generally flatten the salaries to make me receive less for others more, why should I not "nodding along on union busting talking points"? I like my very very large paycheck.

Is this trolling? Either way, I hate this self-centered comment.

Have you considered that a union could be good for all employees? What about setting minimum salary requirements? Maybe ensuring more of a company's profits are paid out to its workers?

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by mostertoaster » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 7:06 AM UTC

Apocryphon wrote: post #137

mostertoaster wrote: post #99

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> Democratic management of capital That’s probably the best euphemism I’ve heard since “enhanced interrogation techniques”

That could just mean worker co-ops. What's so scary about Mondragón?

I didn’t say anything was scary did I? I wasn’t necessarily trying to say it was like torture. It just sounds like something Bernie Sanders would say. It’s not socialism, it’s democratic socialism.

I mean I’m fine with a democracy on the board of a company, I just don’t think it is wise to have everyone be on the board.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by sjtindell » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 7:08 AM UTC

loeg wrote: post #40

Calvin02 wrote: post #19

Apple fires employee -> likely employee’s fault. FB, Goog, Amazon, MS fire an employee -> they are terrible companies. HN’s biases are infuriating. Replace Apple with Facebook or Google and everyone will have their pitchforks out.

I think you get exactly the same kind of "employee's fault," corporate defenders in all of these kinds of discussions.

Which makes a lot of sense considering this forum is full of people who create and run corporations.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by sjtindell » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 7:12 AM UTC

techrat wrote: post #35

analognoise wrote: post #25

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Bruh we bag on Apple constantly about Right to Repair, their app store monopoly, and destroyed them over their phone scanning shit. We regularly BEAT on Apple. Obviously the app we all noticed was...Google Drive in that list! /Edited: I forgot, we also bag on them constantly about WFH, and their piss poor record with bug bounties. There are probably some I'm forgetting.

> We regularly BEAT on Apple. From my direct experience, anyone who speaks out against Apple's restrictive, walled garden approach and anti consumer practices gets downvoted hard and mass-flagged 'round these parts.

Just another anecdote - I regularly see commenters decrying the walled garden, etc. always with the addendums that they’ve abandoned all Apple products, don’t use Google search, and use Linux on their Thinkpad instead of Windows. I notice so often because I have a lot of doubts about the veracity of those statements.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by Apocryphon » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 7:13 AM UTC

mostertoaster wrote: post #144

Apocryphon wrote: post #137

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That could just mean worker co-ops. What's so scary about Mondragón?

I didn’t say anything was scary did I? I wasn’t necessarily trying to say it was like torture. It just sounds like something Bernie Sanders would say. It’s not socialism, it’s democratic socialism. I mean I’m fine with a democracy on the board of a company, I just don’t think it is wise to have everyone be on the board.

My larger point is that "democratic management of capital" doesn't have to mean socialism of any kind, it can mean worker co-ops, which can exist in social democratic, free market capitalist, hell even ancap utopian conceptions of stateless libertarian societies. It's just a management style.

> I mean I’m fine with a democracy on the board of a company, I just don’t think it is wise to have everyone be on the board.

Some companies are co-ops and have made it work. It depends, and is perhaps worth trying more.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by sjtindell » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 7:14 AM UTC

andrewjf wrote: post #122

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #87

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> Even if she was acting improperly w.r.t. company proprietary information I'd have thought that competent PR folk would know to never fire someone in a position like this because there's no way the company can look good in the aftermath. This is something I do wonder about. We've seen a fair number of cases recently of tech companies firing people who've publicly agitated for changes in the company culture and alway…

Not in the immediate news cycle, sure. But overall, it needs to be done.

Exactly. It is a bandaid, tear it off. You’ll work extra hard for a news cycle or two, rather than allowing an angry employee to poison your other employees for however long. And they’ll be let go eventually anyway.

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Post by saimiam » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 7:59 AM UTC

ssijak wrote: post #140

paganel wrote: post #70

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> don't delete stuff before doing so. I would certainly delete personal information if present on said phone, don't want some other corporate freaks to go through my stuff. Fuck it, I would have done it if instead of Apple it had been the Securitate (I'm from Romania, grew up as a kid in the '80s), and come to think of it this advice of "obey your corporate masterlords" is kind of depressing in itself. We don't have…

You should not have personal stuff on a work phone in the first place.

But say you do, would you delete personal stuff prior to giving your device to your corporate peers?

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by raspasov » Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 8:07 AM UTC

WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #92

prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

I wish I could go back in time and tell a younger version of myself the steps needed to work at a FAANG. I unfortunately never had the right guidance to get there and hopefully my kids one day will. I can’t complain as things worked out —- but still. I see these employee issues pop up from time to time and I guess I just don’t understand it. I’m not trying to be cruel to the people speaking out. Just I truly don’t un…

The term FAANG was created in 2013 which is not that long ago. FAANG didn't really become a super "hot" place to be until after the 2009-2011 recession. Looking back, everything is often crystal clear 20/20 vision.

"Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future." - Yoda.