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The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by the-dude »

PeterisP wrote: post #107
the-dude wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does that matter?

There is a big difference between cutting off financial services for organizations and people; in general, in business-to-business relations organizations are free to serve only whom they wish, but individuals (unlike organizations) deserve protection from discrimination, and having access to core banking services is considered an important right for individuals in EU. Dutch banks denying accounts to someone because…

I never claimed big news, I just posted an analogue case where a bank holds power over an org, in a thread about banks holding power over orgs.

What is your point?

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by version_five »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #117

There's this common meme of blaming anti-sex-work sentiment on some bloc of US Evangelicals who secretly rule the Western economy and politics. Because surely, it couldn't be the market speaking out against adult material? Here's an alternative hypothesis: between those anti-sex fundamentalist religious groups (Christian or otherwise) and people who absolutely love everything sex-related, there's the vast majority of…

Also interesting that it seems perfectly acceptable to repeat the conspiracy theory you mention (I've seen it several times here, no opinion on it's validity) but if you stay even remotely from other official narratives, you're immediately branded a "conspiracy theorist" spreading misinformation and shut down.

It's relevant here because of how obviously subjective censorship is, which is the strongest argument against it

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by GiorgioG »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #120
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy, I’m confused why you would interpolate the two. It is just more fuel for the argument that America has always been so uncomfortable and Puritan with sex and way too comfortable with violence.

While I am concerned about the coercive power of these platforms against speech they find unpopular, whether porn, or something else.... > A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy Enough with the hyperbole, the FBI has already stated they found little evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow the govt [1], despite the fact we know that the…

Care to peddle your bullshit somewhere else? There may have been no 'organized' conspiracy to overthrow the gov't, but they sure as hell were trying to illegally pressure politicians into not certifying the election.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by pennaMan »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #117

There's this common meme of blaming anti-sex-work sentiment on some bloc of US Evangelicals who secretly rule the Western economy and politics. Because surely, it couldn't be the market speaking out against adult material? Here's an alternative hypothesis: between those anti-sex fundamentalist religious groups (Christian or otherwise) and people who absolutely love everything sex-related, there's the vast majority of…

Instead of asking the payment processor monopoly to censor things you don't like you can.... you know.... not indulge in things you don't like instead of ruining it for everyone who does like it?

The market speaks out with wallets not with hypocritical outrage nor moral high grounding nor virtue signaling and especially not straight up random censorship of legal buisnesses. And last time i checked onlyfans was wildly profitable and legal.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by rvz »

jsiepkes wrote: post #106
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy, I’m confused why you would interpolate the two. It is just more fuel for the argument that America has always been so uncomfortable and Puritan with sex and way too comfortable with violence.

> A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy That comparison doesn't work because calling to storm the Whitehouse is calling on people to perform an illegal act which is illegal by itself. I think everyone is in agreement that platforms should remove content that is illegal.

> I think everyone is in agreement that platforms should remove content that is illegal.

Yes. Including child pornography that Twitter seems to find it difficult to remove off of their platform. [0] [1] [2]

[0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/30/india-twitter-kashm...

[1] https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-rules-twitter-can-be-su...

[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-20/twitter-f...

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by enumjorge »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #81

It's interesting to see the comments from people who supported Youtube/Twitter/FB/Patreon/Visa political censorship, but are suddenly against the porn censorship by the payment same systems. "Rules for thee, but not for me."

> people who supported… political censorship

That’s a pretty loaded statement. It’s strange to me that someone can take a provable fact (e.g. COVID-19 is real), politicize it, and now spreading that misinformation is painted as political speech that should be protected.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by qwytw »

sk55 wrote: post #140
OrvalWintermute wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I am concerned about the coercive power of these platforms against speech they find unpopular, whether porn, or something else.... > A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy Enough with the hyperbole, the FBI has already stated they found little evidence of a grand conspiracy to overthrow the govt [1], despite the fact we know that the…

From the article you linked, there was clearly coordinated groups trying to overtake: >The officials did note that far-right groups – like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and Three Percenters – may have collaborated in breaching the Capitol on the day of the riot. These aren't scrubs either. Some of them are ex-military, armed civilians coordinating with other groups to breach the capitol and take hostages. This is not…

Then you might as well say that any riot or even a protest any of the people from these groups participate is an attempt to overthrow the government.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by vlunkr »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #117

There's this common meme of blaming anti-sex-work sentiment on some bloc of US Evangelicals who secretly rule the Western economy and politics. Because surely, it couldn't be the market speaking out against adult material? Here's an alternative hypothesis: between those anti-sex fundamentalist religious groups (Christian or otherwise) and people who absolutely love everything sex-related, there's the vast majority of…

Agreed, the conspiracy idea here doesnt make sense. Through the last few decades puritans have attempted to exert control over video games, music, and film and failed at every step. I don't know why they would suddenly have this power over banks.

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Post by alexashka »

treis wrote: post #56
snarf21 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, the article goes to the wrong place. The real cause is that most organizations (government, financial institutions, media conglomerates, etc.) are largely controlled by old rich white guys and they don't like people doing things. They are the ones pushing their "morality". We need more diverse and younger people in these positions to evolve our culture more quickly.

They're not pearl clutching church goers enforcing their morality on everyone. They're concerned about real objective harm like revenge porn, videos of sexual assault, leaked videos, child porn, and so on.

How do you know that?

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by MattGaiser »

On the contrary, they are doing it as society will blame them if they do not and they will suffer if it turns out they were involved in child pornography.

Banks are not moralists on a crusade. They love making money, but they fear risk. Dealing in the adult industry is a huge public relations and legal risk.

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