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Post by nurb »

chrisseaton wrote: post #140
Aldipower wrote: post #132

I quit to smoke after 13 years of smoking. And I was a heavy smoker. I am a non-smoker for 10y now and will never smoke again. No need for vaping or such. I think if you substitute you do not catch your addiction at the root. Vaping is really the wrong way. You need to get rid of the addiction. My main point why it was easy for me to quit finally, I hated to be controlled by an chemical. A chemical that has control o…

The most harmful part of smoking is the smoke, not the addiction to nicotine. The critical thing to do is to get people off the actual smoke. However they achieve that safely, including with nicotine vaping, should be supported.

Nicotine is harmful for your mind more than your body. Every time the need to smoke appears, it replace everything you had in mind, to the point that the only thing you can think of is «Damn I need to go to smoke».

To me this is by far worst than any potential cancer risk.

(I smoked for 15 years and stopped 3 years ago, if that precision can add any value)

EDT: Juste to add that realizing this gives you motivation when you quit. And the freedom gained is also rewarding.

Re: Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal

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Post by kortex »

uniqueuid wrote: post #57
symlinkk wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don’t know that vaping is harmful. It’s addictive, yes, but not necessarily harmful.

I don't know (not my area of expertise), but aren't there some reliable meta-analyses on the effects of vaping? I would be surprised to see that inhaling any kind of smoke or non-water aerosol is good for your lungs, so I'd expect at least a minor harmful effect. This study, for example, claims increased risks for heart disease [1] (disclaimer: I'm not a medical doctor and cannot evaluate its credibility) [1] https:/…

Anything going into the lungs besides atmospheric air, and specific medications, is potentially inflammatory. At best, the VOCs (in vaping) do absolutely nothing in either direction. At semi-worst, they cause low-grade inflammation, and worst-case they cause chemical pneumonitis.

However, by comparison, tobacco smoke is like "what if we could engineer the perfect lung assailant."

Tar causes inflammation, damages DNA directly, intercalates DNA and induces replication errors, collapses alveoli, and paralyzes cillia, making clearance of all those chemical assailants from the lungs even harder.

Re: Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal

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Post by pjc50 »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #118

So Marlboro buys 35% of Juul and now Juul is advertising recklessly and inviting an e-cig ban or heavy regulation. Interesting Well here are some fun facts about the ingredients in tobacco, for comparison... The main* reason smoking causes cancer is the high amount of polonium 210, yeah, that same stuff they used to murder Litvenchenko. The reason for the presence of polonium 210 is flavour. Truly. It sounds far fetc…

> So Marlboro buys 35% of Juul and now Juul is advertising recklessly and inviting an e-cig ban or heavy regulation. Interesting

Marlboro know they're above consequences for their product safety, and they've done this kind of thing before, so they're going to do it no matter how unethical it is.

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Post by Nav_Panel »

kortex wrote: post #144
Aldipower wrote: post #132

I quit to smoke after 13 years of smoking. And I was a heavy smoker. I am a non-smoker for 10y now and will never smoke again. No need for vaping or such. I think if you substitute you do not catch your addiction at the root. Vaping is really the wrong way. You need to get rid of the addiction. My main point why it was easy for me to quit finally, I hated to be controlled by an chemical. A chemical that has control o…

That's wonderful, but be careful generalizing your experience to others. You don't know who is struggling with mental illness, executive control issues, ADHD, OCD, depression, etc. Tobacco is more than nicotine delivery. It contains harmaline alkaloids, which among other effects, is a monoamine oxidase inhibitor. Quitting a cocktail of nicotine and MAOIs, while those stimulants are "treating" underlying conditions, i…

Yep -- this is how I use my vape, to reduce my overall MAOI intake. And I started smoking to begin with for the antidepressant effects (which it's surprisingly effective at).

Were I to switch to vaping alone, it would be far easier to quit, mainly because the nature of conditioning relating to a vaping habit (hitting my juul at my desk) is very distinct from cigarettes (going on the roof and having a smoke triggered by certain events). The latter is far more "attached" to specific event triggers and lasts a specific amount of time, while the former is a more "ambient" act with much less habituality attached.

Re: Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal

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Post by tgb »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #118

So Marlboro buys 35% of Juul and now Juul is advertising recklessly and inviting an e-cig ban or heavy regulation. Interesting Well here are some fun facts about the ingredients in tobacco, for comparison... The main* reason smoking causes cancer is the high amount of polonium 210, yeah, that same stuff they used to murder Litvenchenko. The reason for the presence of polonium 210 is flavour. Truly. It sounds far fetc…

Your citations don't back up your claim that "the main reason smoking causes cancer" is polonium 210. They just note that polonium 210 is one possible reason for smoking causing cancer. From your [1]:

> Do these doses lead to lung cancer? It’s hard to say, especially since the effects of polonium are only part of a wider range of damaging consequences caused by inhaling cigarette smoke. But animal studies certainly give us cause for concern.

Moreover wikipedia cites two articles saying:

> In contrast, a 1999 review of tobacco smoke carcinogens published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute states that "levels of polonium-210 in tobacco smoke are not believed to be great enough to significantly impact lung cancer in smokers."[224] In 2011 Hecht has also stated that the "levels of 210Po in cigarette smoke are probably too low to be involved in lung cancer induction".[225]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_tobacco#Radi...

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Post by jrochkind1 »

wccrawford wrote: post #13
ud_0 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Scientism has become the state religion and companies are paying for indulgences. I was unfamiliar with that term and googled it: it's described as " excessive belief in the power of scientific knowledge and techniques ". I'm struggling a bit to understand how a belief in the importance of scientific knowledge and techniques equates to a religious mindset. In an ideal world, I would absolutely prefer my government…

I'm not who you replied to, but I've experienced this with some of my friends. Some people believe in science. They don't take the facts and understand them, they just say "Science says this is true. Anyone who disagrees needs to be shouted down." They will shame people for expressing any doubt against a "scientific consensus". This is actually the opposite of science. For instance, the Theory of Gravity. I know peop…

I actually agree with your first paragraph, and agree that "science" is treated religiously by many currently.

But you misunderstand what the words "theory" or "law" mean in scientific usage such as the "theory of gravity".

https://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-d...

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

egeozcan wrote: post #139
pope_meat wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact, if you claim to be a smoking cessation product you get the FDA at your door going "oh, so this is a medical product" and you're now obligated to prove that your product works as a medical cessation product, and requires a doctor's note to pick up. You can't market yourself as a smoking cessation product without getting the hounds of hell being unleashed on you by the regulators.

Getting licensed for vaping is easier? (really asking)

No. The only companies eligible in the PMTA License process for vape had to have been manufacturing in 2015 or 2016 when the FDA began its moratorium on new players entering the market.

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

egeozcan wrote: post #139
pope_meat wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact, if you claim to be a smoking cessation product you get the FDA at your door going "oh, so this is a medical product" and you're now obligated to prove that your product works as a medical cessation product, and requires a doctor's note to pick up. You can't market yourself as a smoking cessation product without getting the hounds of hell being unleashed on you by the regulators.

Getting licensed for vaping is easier? (really asking)

They’re both incredibly expensive and laborious. Like millions of dollars per sku expensive. The fda has put all the good vape shops out of business and extortionate taxes are killing the rest as people revert back to cigarettes. The fda is actively hurting Americans by shifting these costs onto retailers which was a Coup d'état for big tobacco who had been completely blindsided by the success of startup vape companies.

Re: Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal

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Post by Gatsky »

Juul is a company selling mind control juice to children, and is being advised by Big Tobacco, the most morally despicable industry in the world. They cannot be trusted, not at all, and this shameless fake journal issue is a perfect example straight out of the Big Tobacco playbook.
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