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FYI Tesla has already told regulators that it won't be able to deliver FSD by the end of 2021, which it had earlier committed to. If you are still holding your breath on it, it's probably time to give it up.
How is it a loan? Can he recover the principle?
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AFAIK, If you have a Tesla already, it will still use Radar. Model S/X also keep Radar. It's being removed from Model 3/Y. I placed an order in early April and I'm kind of miffed that (1) my delivery was delayed (my original order was supposed to be 4-8 weeks, I'm currently slated for ~10 weeks) (2) there seems to be supply chain issues, but the company denies it (3) after not shipping in cars for 2 months, they anno…
They said they're going to stop using the radar in the existing cars too.
I personally don't care if its vision, radar, or if Elon himself remote controls the car from his house. I'm well aware of the current limitations of the software and I'd like to purchase the car knowing what I know. Having the radar come out is like buying the FSD promise; it might work next month, or it might be next year; and seeing how Autopilot was one of the features I was looking forward to, that sucks.
At the same time, there's little recourse if you want to buy an Electric car other than moving up to an S/X (which are currently 3-6 months out and 40-50k more).
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>But I paid an extra $10,000 for a feature that was promised but still hasn't been fully delivered As far as I'm concerned, that $10k is basically an interest free loan to Tesla. FSD as promised by Elon is going to take decades, and the worst part is that it's not even transferable from one car to another.
> the worst part is that it's not even transferable from one car to another. That would make sense to do it that way: Sell FSD as some sort of license that always works in any Tesla one drives. How does it currently work? If someone sells their Tesla does the FSD package follow the car or does the new owner need to purchase FSD for that car?
>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=antLneVlxcs
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uClWlVCwHsI
[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ozx5R-P9zM
[4] https://twitter.com/olivercameron/status/1319835514887831552
[5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29GZg4gGMMM
Other things:
[1] https://www.elonmusk.today/
[2] a video which was taken down from youtube
https://troll.tv/videos/watch/54bc7bd0-8691-4359-aa7d-dc5148...
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Tesla
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lawsuits_involving_Tes....
Bonus material:
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsKwMryKqRE
Edit: For saner info regarding self-driving, A.I etc:
[1] https://twitter.com/missy_cummings/
[2] https://www.twitter.com/MelMitchell1
[3] https://twitter.com/rodneyabrooks
[4] book to read, suitable even for laypeople >> 'Artificial Intelligence: A Guide for Thinking Humans by Melanie Mitchell
IMO everyone should read that book
Edit 2: Children of the Magenta Line
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Can someone tell me if SpaceX's tail-landing rockets are vision-only systems? Street vehicle navigation seems at least as difficult as nailing a rocket landing.
Humans are proof that's its possible to safely drive a car with pure vision. Pretty sure no human has ever propulsively landed a rocket on earth using nothing but vision.
Humans also have eyes with a lot more than 1.2 megapixels of equivalent resolution and vastly more dynamic range, attached to a brain with damn near infinite more compute power than any computer.
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> However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. I think it will happen but only by making many expensive, intrusive changes to our cities and roads to accommodate "self-driving" cars.
I think we still must be missing something very fundamental with the way we’re doing AI. When you look at nature and see a tiny bee or fly navigating perfectly around all sorts of obstacles, including the newspaper I’m trying to swat it with, using just that teeny tiny brain running of mili-watts of power with just compound eyes to guide it. And in 3D space not a nice flat surface. But we still can’t make a car not d…
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More people need to see your comment because there seems to be a belief that full self driving is just around the corner. However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. In your case, the new lane was clearly marked, which just shows how weak the system really is. Imagine if there was snow covering the lane markings. Or sunlight reflecting off of the road confuses the visio…
There's also the very common argument (even here on HN) that it doesn't matter because "humans have plenty of accidents too". I think it's not a good rebuttal because self-driving cars will have to be orders of magnitude safer than humans if order to be successful. If I'm drunk and I decide to drive and I end up crashing into a pedestrian, then it's my own damn fault and I'll face the consequences. If a self-driving…
The irritating thing is it's all so unnecessary. My Tesla is a great car. But I paid an extra $10,000 for a feature that was promised but still hasn't been fully delivered, FSD. It feels like I paid extra for my awesome car to be sabotaged. What was promised by FSD was never going to be possible, and yet they are doubling down. They need to stop this idiocy. The vision system is horrible. The car stops at green light…
>But I paid an extra $10,000 for a feature that was promised but still hasn't been fully delivered As far as I'm concerned, that $10k is basically an interest free loan to Tesla. FSD as promised by Elon is going to take decades, and the worst part is that it's not even transferable from one car to another.
>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…
I'm amazed at how toxic the comments are and how many are mentioning people are going to be killed. Have you seen how most Americans drive? Makes sense that they did this with the chip shortages. I don't doubt that they can rely entirely on cameras and be way safer than most drivers on the road. Looking forward to FSD release in 2030.
What about conditions such as fog?
Keep in mind that vision is needed in all cases for lane keeping at the very minimum. So if vision is not able to see in fog, it won’t be able to self drive even radar is working.