So if we were going to purchase one soon, should we instead wait for this to be fixed?
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Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#132Tesla is a great at many things but managing customer/media expectations isn't among them. I'm sure Elon has the data and will tweet why vision is better, he may even back it up with really good data, but it's reactionary media management rather than preventative. How hard would it have been to write a press release explaining why they are removing radar, what it means to safety, and how it impacts the future of self…
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#133The irritating thing is it's all so unnecessary. My Tesla is a great car. But I paid an extra $10,000 for a feature that was promised but still hasn't been fully delivered, FSD. It feels like I paid extra for my awesome car to be sabotaged. What was promised by FSD was never going to be possible, and yet they are doubling down. They need to stop this idiocy. The vision system is horrible. The car stops at green light…
FYI Tesla has already told regulators that it won't be able to deliver FSD by the end of 2021, which it had earlier committed to. If you are still holding your breath on it, it's probably time to give it up.
How is it a loan? Can he recover the principle?
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you are in the Bay Area, I think I know exactly what intersection you are talking about and I'm surprised it hasn't been fix. Someone died in a Model X at that intersection a couple years ago. https://mv-voice.com/news/2018/03/23/car-fire-closes-lanes-o...
Is it this exit (carpool lane over to 85)? 37.4110753, -122.0761614
Yes, that one is where the accident occurred in the link I posted
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#135Tesla is a great at many things but managing customer/media expectations isn't among them. I'm sure Elon has the data and will tweet why vision is better, he may even back it up with really good data, but it's reactionary media management rather than preventative. How hard would it have been to write a press release explaining why they are removing radar, what it means to safety, and how it impacts the future of self…
Tesla doesn't have a PR department. It was dissolved last year.
https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/15/teslas-decision-to-scrap-i...
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#136>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…
More people need to see your comment because there seems to be a belief that full self driving is just around the corner. However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. In your case, the new lane was clearly marked, which just shows how weak the system really is. Imagine if there was snow covering the lane markings. Or sunlight reflecting off of the road confuses the visio…
Yup. Rodney Brooks, famed robot scientist and iRobot founder, says not to expect driverless taxis in cities earlier than 2035: https://rodneybrooks.com/my-dated-predictions/
I don't think we quite need AGI to make something like a commercial urban taxi service work. For any given place, we can substitute a very large amount of training data. And I think we can get there through an approach like Waymo, where the taxi's number one job is to ask for central human help if it's in the slightest confused or at risk of causing harm. But even that will be a very long slog.
And for the supposed goal of "full self-driving", I agree that is basically AGI, because it requires levels of judgment that even humans struggle with. The other day I came across some Covid-related road changes and I had to reason about human intent as expressed in roads while exchanging human social signals with the people around me.
Brooks suggests we instead may see people trying to simplify the problem by banning humans and/or human drivers from areas where we want automated driving. That's anthema to me, but given the history of building to favor cars vs other modes and given the vast amounts of money behind these efforts, it wouldn't shock me that it turns out that way.
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#137>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…
More people need to see your comment because there seems to be a belief that full self driving is just around the corner. However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. In your case, the new lane was clearly marked, which just shows how weak the system really is. Imagine if there was snow covering the lane markings. Or sunlight reflecting off of the road confuses the visio…
There's also the very common argument (even here on HN) that it doesn't matter because "humans have plenty of accidents too".
I think it's not a good rebuttal because self-driving cars will have to be orders of magnitude safer than humans if order to be successful. If I'm drunk and I decide to drive and I end up crashing into a pedestrian, then it's my own damn fault and I'll face the consequences. If a self-driving car bugs out and kills someone, who's responsible?
All it'll take in a few dozen stories of self-driving cars diving into oncoming traffic like in the parent's story and that'll destroy any trust in the tech for the foreseeable future.
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
More people need to see your comment because there seems to be a belief that full self driving is just around the corner. However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. In your case, the new lane was clearly marked, which just shows how weak the system really is. Imagine if there was snow covering the lane markings. Or sunlight reflecting off of the road confuses the visio…
> However, IMO, it will never happen because it needs a full artificial general intelligence. I think it will happen but only by making many expensive, intrusive changes to our cities and roads to accommodate "self-driving" cars.
Which is why I’m so pessimistic about the likelihood of this.
In the rich world it is not hard to find a potholed road with faded markings, so how can we expect our society to maintain and upkeep expensive infrastructure when we can barely manage paint and basic asphalt?
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#139- Tesla is lacking radar modules due to chip shortage - As a result, Tesla can’t make vehicles - Tesla (as always) is cutting it close to making a profit - Therefore, sell cars without radar - This “profit squeeze” is corroborated by this week’s (May 27) increase in vehicle prices by $500-$2,000, the reintroduction of enhanced autopilot for $4,000 and Elon trying to pump n dump crypto again with his “crypto eco-overs…
I think Tesla is very close to a do-or-die situation. They are in severe danger of being disrupted by the very automakers they took on. If they can't make a profit with the current market conditions (and they haven't, right? their profit is entirely due to credits?), I just don't think it's necessarily going to get any easier as time goes on. EVs are commodities.
> They are in severe danger of being disrupted by the very automakers they took on.
The worst part is they’re nowhere near: the effective strength of Tesla is that they built a large and reliable network of fast chargers. I don’t know how non-Tesla charging is in the US, but in Europe it’s still a complete mess of half-assed crap, meaning if you don’t have a Tesla you either simply can’t make trips beyond a single-charge round-trips, or you have to plan the trip for days in advance poring over maps and fallback chargers like it’s the 60s and you have to account for 50% odds of needing to rebuild the engine on the roadside.
Not “green book” bad, but absolutely “get close to hurling from the stress and triple travel time because you had to hypermile to reach the charger then it was worse than a home socket”.
Re: Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features
#140>removing radar sensors to transition to a camera-based Autopilot system A few weeks back, I had a terrible experience while using auto pilot. I was driving on a highway (in CA) with autopilot engaged. For the most part, there was a concrete median on the highway. Suddenly, a section came with no concrete median and a new left only turn lane gets added. For whatever reasons, autopilot thought it is a great idea to su…
I'm confused. If a new left-only turn lane was added, wouldn't it have steered you into that new lane? How did it steer you into oncoming traffic?
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