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YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by Nasrudith »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #47

There's already several articles about Google on the front page. I'm curious why they would be making moves to avoid an anti-trust lawsuit on the one hand with its scaling back of using AMP; while on the other hand, they seem to be actively using their monopoly with YT to generate ad revenue by forcing it on the content creators. This puts a lot of people in a bad situation. There's no real recourse because the platf…

That isn't using the monopoly to generate ad revenue it is using their traffic to generate revenue. If anything running YT division at a loss is way worse for antitrust than milking it hard for ads.

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Post by apexalpha »

btreecat wrote: post #57
randlet wrote: post #32

Most of the creators I watch are switching to a combination of Patreon and in-video advertising "reads" (have you heard about Kiwi Co?!?) both of which cut Google out of the equation so it's not too surprising to me Google is cranking up the dial on their own advertisements.

Only they are doing it on channels with out enough viewers to choose those options. Shady af.

Why is it shady, should Youtube host your video for free? Youtube is an insane free service, there's nothing that comes close to the video and stream quality.

To be honest I'm surprised so many video's have been hosted without ads while the creators cash in outside of Google.

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Post by dmd »

arnoooooo wrote: post #149
tssva wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube doesn't force you to watch ads. Pay for Youtube Premium and you will see no ads.

Thats sounds a lot like extorsion.

Restaurants extort me to pay for food if I want to eat there. It's shameful.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by TACIXAT »

thrower123 wrote: post #137
pedrogpimenta wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your phone doesn't force you to watch ads. Youtube (which has nothing to do with your phone) forces you to watch ads (if you don't have an adblocker)

Your phone doesn't allow you to run a browser that would let you use an adblocker.

Android has Firefox which has uBlock, as well as Firefox Focus. iOS has VPN based ad blocking compatible with Safari, I use AdGuard.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by jesuscyborg »

YouTube has a demonetization feature too. Let's say you run a programming tutorials channel that's too small to monetize and you don't want Google layering ads over your content. Just crosspost something like a Tim Pool video and hope the YouTube AI categorizes your channel as too toxic for advertisers. Otherwise it'll be interesting to see how the standard changes when Google is the sole beneficiary. That money is too toxic for thee, not for me.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by oritsnile »

bsharitt wrote: post #61

I get why people are mad that something that exists is changing, though at this point I've stopped being surprised when something that was free either stops being free or has the free offering diminished. This particularly was a very weird setup where if you didn't want a share of ad revenue, you got to use the service completely for free. While Google offers ad free YouTube to users, it'd be nice if they offered a w…

Honestly I'm quite surprised that it happened not sooner, considering how may gigabytes of video are uploaded each day, of which only a fraction makes YouTube money.

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Post by helmholtz »

mrspeaker wrote: post #143
bsd44 wrote: post #118

As a content consumer I see this as a positive thing for me. A few months ago when YouTube decided to auto-add ads on all videos, my watch time on YouTube decreased by more than 50% since I consume all video content on either my phone or my tablet (where I don't have access to AdBlock), and I find the amount of ads I have to go through to watch a video so annoying that I'd rather not watch it at all. As a result I sp…

I'm the same as you regarding reduced viewing time recently... unless I'm extremely motivated, I kill the tab as soon as the ad starts. It's the same with sites that require javascript to view: I'm sure the content might be good if I whitelisted it - but most the time it's my cue to realize I'm procrastinating and should get back to creating rather than consuming!

It heartens me to know that this sentiment is spreading.

I have some black and white rules set up for myself. The day Whatsapp stops encrypting chats is the day I jump ship. The day Youtube blocks access to those using uBlock, I'll stop going to Youtube. The day old.reddit.com and i.reddit.com stop working, sayonara Reddit.

I've come to realise that a) I just don't derive TOO much value from any of these websites/services, and b) I don't mind paying for value added.

I'd be happy to pay for Youtube. But not 15 dollars a _month_! Youtube is an amateur platform. Charge me maybe 3 dollars a month. 5 if I'm feeling generous. But not 15. And certainly not when it's bundled with Google tracking the living bejeesus out of me.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by effingwewt »

everdrive wrote: post #95
bsharitt wrote: post #61

I get why people are mad that something that exists is changing, though at this point I've stopped being surprised when something that was free either stops being free or has the free offering diminished. This particularly was a very weird setup where if you didn't want a share of ad revenue, you got to use the service completely for free. While Google offers ad free YouTube to users, it'd be nice if they offered a w…

Yep. You don't own Youtube, and you don't really have much control over content you wish to upload, or content you wish the view. And, this content can be removed or modified (by inserting ads) at any time. I think services are generally bad for consumers. (they can be quite good for businesses, though) If a consumer relies on a service, then they are beholden to any change made in that service. In other words, it's…

Completely agree the imbalance of the power dynamic has really gotten worse since the Reagan era.

We really need stronger consumer advocacy.

An aside- it's really jaded me that with the advent of the internet so many of us had these wonderful dreams of the things we could build and share the world over, and how it would change the world and be this revolutionary force. Well it was, just not for good. Every single good thing gets twisted and perverted in the hunt for the Almighty Profit.

I remember my father complaining when I was young about money being the root of all evil, never be greedy, love your fellow man. But some time around his late 40s he became a republican, tax became theft, people he didn't know personally could fuck right off. This all coincided with his opening his business and got worse as it became more successful.

The man who hated Reagan and Bush and my rich half of my family with a passion became a staunch Trump supporter.

We no longer speak for other reasons but I use it as a reminder of what not to be. It's worked well for me, I'm not an abusive alcoholic, hopefully I wont become a selfish old curmudgeon over money either.

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Post by Bayart »

Droobfest wrote: post #7
eznzt wrote: post #2

Hacker News User Will Continue to Run uBlock Origin on All Sites Including YouTube Even If Webmasters Don't Want Him To

I think technically it would be pretty easy for google to embed ads into videos in a way that would be hard to impossible to block.

You can already effectively block all sponsored segment through SponsorBlock. I imagine that if Youtube were to randomly "inline" ads in the stream they're delivering to you, crowd-sourcing would also be an effective way to combat it. Make a "signature" of sorts of the video by pulling data from users and detect the ad bit on on your side using it. Well, that is if the ads come from the same domain as the legit video bits.

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Post by comprev »

bsd44 wrote: post #118

As a content consumer I see this as a positive thing for me. A few months ago when YouTube decided to auto-add ads on all videos, my watch time on YouTube decreased by more than 50% since I consume all video content on either my phone or my tablet (where I don't have access to AdBlock), and I find the amount of ads I have to go through to watch a video so annoying that I'd rather not watch it at all. As a result I sp…

Since discovering Musi [1] I don't see any YT ads on iOS.. it's a game changer!

[1] https://twitter.com/feelthemusi

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