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YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by 1_player »

wolco2 wrote: post #23
draugadrotten wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's kind of a shitty move by Google. It's kind of business as usual for Google. Why would anyone expect them to be kind and generous suddenly when they have consistently for years pulled the rug out underneath previosly-free services. (or killed them off completely https://killedbygoogle.com/ ) gmail subscriptions are next, just wait and see.

Gmail It's the one service easily replaced. If they go this route the internet will be a more decentralized place

Easy? Good luck replacing all your accounts and contacts using your @gmail.com email. You'll move to another provider but you'll need to keep the old GMail one around for a long time before you're safe deleting it.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by sterwill »

simfoo wrote: post #19

I went premium earlier this year to avoid the ads while getting my favourite channels a little revenue. If they ever start showing ads for YouTube Premium users I'm out of there

I've been a Red/Premium subscriber for years, and I'm out the second there's a single ad. I'm annoyed at the increasing number of creators jamming sponsorships into their content. I don't know what my threshold is on that before I just stop following YouTube content altogether, but I'm getting close.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by hadrien01 »

jrootabega wrote: post #30
eznzt wrote: post #2

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Thereby Making it Worse for Everyone Else. Indiscriminate measures don't provide helpful information. Support videos that have acceptable ads. Don't support ones that don't. Downvote them, comment, and, most importantly, be willing not to watch them, ever. YouTube can learn, much like a dog, as long as the feedback is clear and swift

We already support videos that have acceptable ads: not YouTube ads, but in-video ads. The creator is paid directly by the advertiser with no middle-man, the user is not tracked and can easily skip them, and personally I prefer these ads instead of unskippable TV-like commercials .

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by jrootabega »

oauea wrote: post #39
jrootabega wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thereby Making it Worse for Everyone Else. Indiscriminate measures don't provide helpful information. Support videos that have acceptable ads. Don't support ones that don't. Downvote them, comment, and, most importantly, be willing not to watch them, ever. YouTube can learn, much like a dog, as long as the feedback is clear and swift

YouTube doesn't have any acceptable ads.

Nonsense. They have a lot of short and inoffensive ads, and similar delivery methods. They also have a lot of long offensive ones, and we should give them an incentive to favor the former

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by zinekeller »

thirteenfingers wrote: post #27
zinekeller wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you're referring to in-video ads, then no. Pardon me? I'm pretty sure that there are (occasional) in-video ads for channels not under YPP and explicitly-demonetized YPP videos even before 2020. (and I'm pretty sure that they were in no way claimed by others at all)

Examples? Happy to be proven wrong on this.

> Edit: I've realised that many of you are using some sort of ad-blocker, so you might not felt the changes when it was (silently) rolled out years ago, but this is from my experience using YouTube on devices which I cannot install an ad-blocker (like in some instructional videos for certain robots which some companies decided to use YouTube for).

I do not have definite proof for this, as I said on the top comment it is rather occasional, but I'm pretty sure that this happened to me on these videos (will update as I remember them):

- Tom Scott (which is definitely in YPP in 2018) has a video titled Stories I Can't Tell [1]. At the time I've watched it for the first time, it has a in-video ad at the tail of the video even though he explicitly said that the video is not monetised (and therefore it might be Google getting the money). Notably, he prepares his videos days or weeks in advance so I'm confident he indeed turn off monetisation on this.

- From time-to-time, I have accessed channels for work purposes. One of them is Fisher Scientific [2], which does have ads occasionally despite the fact that it shouldn't have (and obviously they wouldn't have bothered to submit YPP).

- Similarly, YouTube channels using Google Workspace accounts do serve an ad from time-to-time. Again, it is occasional, but from what my child has experienced, it does happen even with educational accounts (they have since moved to using Google Drive, although it is cumbersome since there are no features such as playlists).

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjl9CpAirtE

2: https://www.youtube.com/user/FisherScientificUK/

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by youcandothat »

thirteenfingers wrote: post #25
fendy3002 wrote: post #10

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If let's say that google charges 1$ (or more, adjust yourself) per gb of stored video, or 1$ per 20gb of bandwidth use to opt out of ads, will it be better?

Speaking for myself, I would be willing to pay YouTube to opt out of ads. I post mostly classical music videos, which are totally ruined if video advertisements are inserted in the middle. (Granted, YouTube doesn't seem to do that to classical music videos quite as much as it used to.) I'm already paying Vimeo for a low-budget data plan, and I only continue to use YouTube as my main platform because of the extra expo…

  I would be willing to pay YouTube to opt out of ads
But you can?

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by at-fates-hands »

There's already several articles about Google on the front page. I'm curious why they would be making moves to avoid an anti-trust lawsuit on the one hand with its scaling back of using AMP; while on the other hand, they seem to be actively using their monopoly with YT to generate ad revenue by forcing it on the content creators.

This puts a lot of people in a bad situation. There's no real recourse because the platform has so many users dependent on it, and its not easy to simply yank all of your content and go to another platform. The logistics of doing so are cumbersome and time consuming.

I don't know what the long term solution is, but this just seems very unreasonable. When you're business becomes so reliant on Google, you don't have any alternative but to just take what they do to you as a part of doing business with them.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by jrootabega »

hadrien01 wrote: post #43
jrootabega wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thereby Making it Worse for Everyone Else. Indiscriminate measures don't provide helpful information. Support videos that have acceptable ads. Don't support ones that don't. Downvote them, comment, and, most importantly, be willing not to watch them, ever. YouTube can learn, much like a dog, as long as the feedback is clear and swift

We already support videos that have acceptable ads: not YouTube ads, but in-video ads. The creator is paid directly by the advertiser with no middle-man, the user is not tracked and can easily skip them, and personally I prefer these ads instead of unskippable TV-like commercials .

Does YouTube get a cut?

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by Shorel »

cableshaft wrote: post #4

I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

But also if enough of them move to a new platform, this will hugely boost that platform.

If they can coordinate their efforts of course. It is a big if.

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