Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

Post by vkou » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 5:15 PM UTC

bobthechef wrote: post #139

JohnTClark wrote: post #8

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How the USA should approach Eastern European region?

Why is the US interested in Europe at all? Whatever the reason, it's clear that failing to secure the Eastern Flank, even if there is no particular interest in Central and Eastern Europe (though there most certainly is), puts the rest of Europe in danger. A tangible example of this threat was the Polish-Soviet War of 1919-1920 (had the Poles lost, the Soviets would have marched right into Germany and probably beyond)…

Post by Shared404 » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 5:29 PM UTC

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toohotatopic wrote: post #136

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The meaning of all words changes. It would be ironic if the meaning of the word hacker would be unchangeable, impenetrable.

Russia's been having too much fun with the whole "russian hacker" thing (unfortunately with the new semantics). The main tv channel even broadcast a dance number on the theme (to the tune of "Jamaica"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrH8xyJG4rc At least the meaning of "hacker" is now a somewhat-useful sibboleth, distinguishing between the old school and the poseurs? I may be optimistic, but I'm confident true hacke…

Post by RobRivera » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 5:46 PM UTC

josh2600 wrote: post #97

Disinformatziya. No document I have ever read covers this topic in more detail than this briefing by Peter Pomerantsev, author of “Nothing is real and everything is possible.” https://imrussia.org/media/pdf/Research/Michael_Weiss_and_Pe... This briefing, which is held in the library of Congress, is where I first heard the term “fake news” in 2014. It’s a stunning contextualization of what has been happening in the la…

Post by auganov » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 5:57 PM UTC

vkou wrote: post #152

auganov wrote: post #38

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This Russian propaganda is obviously targeting President Trump's plans to strengthen the eastern flank of NATO. Something Obama has been extremely weak on. He cancelled Missile Defense after opposition from Russia (famously promising "Vladimir" “more flexibility” on the issue after his "last election"). Eastern European leaders were warning Obama about Ukraine way before it happened but he wouldn't listen. And before…

> He cancelled Missile Defense after opposition from Russia Anti-ICBM defenses in Europe undermine MAD, and if I were to believe the pro-nuclear-weapon people, (who insist that we are all better off pointing thousands of nukes at eachother), MAD is the only thing that has been keeping the world in relative peace for the past 60 years. Serious question: Do you want to live in a world where MAD no longer works, but we…

Post by ceejayoz » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 6:03 PM UTC

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That doesn't mean China can't see a benefit from chaos within NATO. Australia may not be in NATO, but there's close coordination anyways.

Australia may not be in NATO but they're still British Commonwealth, and in communion with the UK and Canada (who are founding NATO members) as well as the US. Pick a fight with Australia and the ANZUS Treaty comes into force, and if the ANAZACs are in a fight, the US and UK will almost certainly be involved.