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Ohio Was Set to Purge 235,000 Voters. It Was Wrong About 20%

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Re: Ohio Was Set to Purge 235,000 Voters. It Was Wrong About 20%

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Post by maxerickson »

tathougies wrote: post #116
maxerickson wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people have to register to vote at all? The state has a sort of pretty solid idea of where they live...

Because if you own ten houses in ten states, you only get to vote in one state, despite potentially being in residence in nine other states at various points of time. There are various criteria by which you qualify as being a citizen of exactly one state.

Right, but there's literally no good reason this has to be an a priori process anymore. We could easily have a system where you get to vote once in one place where you are eligible without having any preregistration.

Re: Ohio Was Set to Purge 235,000 Voters. It Was Wrong About 20%

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Post by e40 »

rdtsc wrote: post #33

> She went online and discovered that her name had also been flagged as an inactive voter. The state was in the process of removing her from its voter rolls. > “I voted three times last year,” said Ms. Miller. I am still baffled at the election system in this country. Every state does its own thing. One state uses paper, other uses some machines which can be easily hacked, some use both. Somehow voter ID is controver…

I am still baffled at the election system in this country.

It's not an accident, it's designed to be this way, for the last 15+ years, at least. People in certain states, in a certain party, know their way to victory is to disenfranchise a certain other party's members.

Re: Ohio Was Set to Purge 235,000 Voters. It Was Wrong About 20%

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Post by crooked-v »

e40 wrote: post #152
rdtsc wrote: post #33

> She went online and discovered that her name had also been flagged as an inactive voter. The state was in the process of removing her from its voter rolls. > “I voted three times last year,” said Ms. Miller. I am still baffled at the election system in this country. Every state does its own thing. One state uses paper, other uses some machines which can be easily hacked, some use both. Somehow voter ID is controver…

I am still baffled at the election system in this country. It's not an accident, it's designed to be this way, for the last 15+ years, at least. People in certain states, in a certain party, know their way to victory is to disenfranchise a certain other party's members.

For some literal quotes on the topic: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/some-republicans-ackno...

> "Do we need to start messaging ‘widespread reports of election fraud’ so we are positively set up for the recount regardless of the final number?"

> I was in the closed Senate Republican Caucus when the final round of multiple Voter ID bills were being discussed. A handful of the GOP Senators were giddy about the ramifications and literally singled out the prospects of suppressing minority and college voters.

> "The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates. It’s done for one reason and one reason only."

Re: Ohio Was Set to Purge 235,000 Voters. It Was Wrong About 20%

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Post by slg »

neonIcon wrote: post #144
slg wrote: post #138

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None of these things listed are constitutional rights like voting and most of the things listed are more difficult but not impossible without ID.

Clearly you haven't tried to do half of these things without an ID.. and a good portion of the other half would likely be illegal. You are correct about the constitutional right however.

Most times people say ID is "required" is because they are lazy and don't want to go through the effort of confirming identity using other means. There are certainly things that do legally require ID like opening a bank account, but others just have a strong preference for ID such as flying which can be done without ID if you are committed to fighting through the difficulties.

Re: Ohio Was Set to Purge 235,000 Voters. It Was Wrong About 20%

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Post by Operyl »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #98
Operyl wrote: post #70

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Florida also does easy opt in voting (checkbox) with most DMV requests now too (not sure how long that’s been a thing).

Isn’t that a federal law (the voter motor law)? See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Voter_Registration_...

Didn’t know that was a law, neat.

Re: Ohio Was Set to Purge 235,000 Voters. It Was Wrong About 20%

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Post by slg »

CompanionCuuube wrote: post #149
slg wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you legitimately just link to a study disproving your point as if that is evidence that supposedly proves your point?

It helps if you read the entire comment, as it would be obvious that the objection was to the "obviously synthetic" nature of the study.

I read that comment and it had zero explanation or any examples of how the report is "obviously synthetic".

Re: Ohio Was Set to Purge 235,000 Voters. It Was Wrong About 20%

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Post by jimmywanger »

crooked-v wrote: post #97
rdtsc wrote: post #33

> She went online and discovered that her name had also been flagged as an inactive voter. The state was in the process of removing her from its voter rolls. > “I voted three times last year,” said Ms. Miller. I am still baffled at the election system in this country. Every state does its own thing. One state uses paper, other uses some machines which can be easily hacked, some use both. Somehow voter ID is controver…

> Why can't they issue free IDs and track every voter in a database and call it a day? Because the goal of the Republican Party is explicitly to use these laws to suppress the votes of certain demographics, not to actually secure the vote. For an example direct quote from a court case: https://twitter.com/haroldpollack/status/1051657219899617280

> Because the goal of the Republican Party is explicitly to use these laws to suppress the votes of certain demographics, not to actually secure the vote.

Your linked source is talking about an entirely different issue. Does not prove your point about Republicans using voter id laws to suppress the votes of certain demographics, or that it's a point of the Republican party as a national organization to do that. All we know is that some Republicans are biased, just as all people have biases. Also, your source is not substantiated.

I'd be happier if proof of citizenship was required to vote, not just photo id. Don't know of a practical way to do that except to check passports, but the passport office would be overwhelmed.

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Post by crooked-v »

jandrese wrote: post #146
weberc2 wrote: post #128

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I'm totally fine with requiring an ID _and_ making it easy for legitimate voters to get one. I don't understand why there are people who are opposed to voter ID requirements (full stop), as though they are inherently racist.

The latter is where Voter ID laws tend to bite. They make it difficult for certain communities to obtain an ID via a variety of underhanded tricks. What you typically see is a Voter ID go into effect, and then whoops, the state budget is too tight this year so we're closing down a whole bunch of DMV locations and restricting hours on the rest.

For example, there's that one DMV that's open only four days per year (!), with the closest alternative being 20 miles away and only open 7 to 5 two days a week (have a fun time managing that if you're a working stiff without a car). https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/feb/19/...

Re: Ohio Was Set to Purge 235,000 Voters. It Was Wrong About 20%

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Post by [deleted] »

rdtsc wrote: post #33

> She went online and discovered that her name had also been flagged as an inactive voter. The state was in the process of removing her from its voter rolls. > “I voted three times last year,” said Ms. Miller. I am still baffled at the election system in this country. Every state does its own thing. One state uses paper, other uses some machines which can be easily hacked, some use both. Somehow voter ID is controver…

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Re: Ohio Was Set to Purge 235,000 Voters. It Was Wrong About 20%

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Post by notfromhere »

tathougies wrote: post #127
notfromhere wrote: post #122

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If the state can't put together a list that doesn't disenfranchise one in every five voters on it, it shouldn't bother. Voter fraud is a non-existent issue and these mass-removals serve no basis except as cover to remove voters that don't support their party.

You don't think removing dead or moved voters is important? This is not about voter fraud. This is just about keeping your records in order, and making sure no one can raise suspicions about your electoral mechanisms.

Unless the state has an effective mechanism that doesn't disenfranchise voters, and that those moved or dead voters aren't voting, the motives are suspect.
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